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Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 27, 2003, 03:25:28 pm
Ok, here's what I am working on. People will beable to download all of these files and then just have a full fledged system install. It will run through an install routine so people won't have to go seaching around for all of the files.

If I could get peoples input of what they would like to see included in the release, that would be great!

PLEASE NOTE this is still a work in progress. Nothing is final, so please, make suggestions!

Here's the README i will include:
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Freespace2 Open 3.5.5 FULL INSTALL

Freespace2 Open 3.5.5 FULL INSTALL

--------------------------------------
1. NOTES
2. SETUP
3. COMMUNITY INFORMATION
4. CREDITS
--------------------------------------

//////////////////////////////////

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1.NOTES
--------------------------------------

This version includes the following:

-Heavily Modified version of the
 Home of the Underdogs Freespace2 Download.
 [ website: //www.the-underdogs.org/ ]

-Improved version of FS2 courtesy of the efforts put
 forth by the Freespace Source Code Project Team.
 Using FS_OPEN and their Unofficial Media .VP file.
 [ website: http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/fsscp/ ]

-Cut scenes in .AVI format that will play in fs2_open versions
 3.5.5 and up. .AVI friendly campaing file courtesy of Karajorma.
 [ website: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/freespace/intro.html

]

-All FS2 .VP files

-Some higher resolution .pcx textures taken from the Freespace 1
 to Freespace 2 port.
 [ website: http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/fsport/index.html ]

This can be considered as a full install of Freespace 2, with
many perks and upgrades thanks to the FS communities, and the hard
working individuals who put in their own time and effort.

--------------------------------------
2.SETUP
--------------------------------------

When you go to play FS2, you must first set up the launcher.

1. Launch the game through a shortcut (or open Launcher.exe in the game

directory)
2. Hit 'BROWSE' and Locate the fs2_open_XXX.exe in the game directory.
3. Set up your video, audio, and joystick settings.

*note: the original exe files are included.
   You should also check the FSSCP for newer releases that contain
   bug fixes and enhancements.
   website: http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/fsscp/

--------------------------------------
3.COMMUNITY INFORMATION
--------------------------------------

The community resources available for Freespace2 are
tremendous.

I recommend the following sites:

If you want general FS2 info:
- The FreeSpace Oracle -

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/freespace/intro.html

FS2 Community:

-Hard Light Productions: http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/hlp/
-Freespace Watch: http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/

---------------------------------------

---------------------------------------
6. Credits
---------------------------------------

FreeSpace 2 developed by Volition, Inc.
for Interplay Productions


Volition, Inc.
--------------

Design:
   Dave Baranec
   Jason Scott
   Adam Pletcher
   & The FreeSpace 2 Team

Based on an Original Design by:
   Adam Pletcher

Lead Programmer:
   Dave Baranec

Programming:
   Dave Andsager
   Jeff Farris
   Neil Kumar

Lead Artist:
   Jasen Whiteside

Real-Time Artists:
   John Enricco
   David Gulisano
   Matt Kresge

Cutscene Artists:
   Kelly Snapka
   Matt Flegel

Mission Design:
   Brad Johnson
   James Agay
   Jim Boone
   Chad Nicolas
   Jordan Roc

Writers:
   Jason Scott
   Mike Breault

Music and Sound Design:
   Dan Wentz

Executive Producer:
   Mike Kulas

Director of Product Development:
   Philip Holt

Quality Assurance Test Lead:
   Anoop Shekar

Quality Assurance Testers:
   James Tsai
   Alvan Monje
   Andrew McIntosh
   Nicolaus Malnick
   Allan Bautista
   Eric Keyser

Web Design and Development
& squadwar.com:
   Nathan Camarillo

Manual:
   Mike Breault

Parallax Online:
   Dave Baranec
   Mark Allender
   Kevin Bentley

Network Administration:
   Mark Muller

Office Management and Administration:
   Ginny Gee
   Misty Goodman

German Localization:
   Heiko Herrmann

FRED2 Documentation:
   Peter Drake


Voice (Los Angeles):

Voice Producer:  
   Fred Hatch

Voice Direction:
   Jamie Thomason

Voice Editor:  
   Frank Szick
     
Voice Recording Engineers:
   Paul Andris
   Ernie Sheesley

Assistant Recording Engineers:
   Eric Lewis
   Lisa Carlon

Cast:
   Robert Loggia
   Ronny Cox
   Kurtwood Smith
   Stephen Baldwin


Voice (Chicago):

Voice Producer:
   Ron Steele, Sr.

Voice Recording Engineer:
   Dave Steele

Recorded at:
   EKO Media Design Company

Cast:
   Sy Osborne
   Tony Russell
   Charles Gerace
   Joe Sikora
   Rick Weiss
   Kurt Naebig
   Dale Engram


Voice (Champaign):

Voice Recording Engineers:
   Scott Warren
   Dan Wentz

Recorded at:
   Prairie Production Group
   Volition, Inc.

Cast:
   Roger Cooper
   Robin Kaler
   Peter Davis
   Doug Quick
   Roger Francisco
   Dan Simeone
   Tamara McDaniel
   Mike Trippiedi
   Jim Manley
   John McKeighan
   Bruce Heck
   Jason Scott
   Dave Butler
   Eric Sizemore
   Kay Holley


Original FreeSpace Team:
   Adam Pletcher
   Mike Kulas
   John Slagel
   Mark Allender
   Alan Lawrance
   Jasen Whiteside
   Frank Capezzuto III
   Peter Han
   Mike Comet
   Sandeep Shekar
   Dave Baranec
   Dave Andsager
   Jason Hoffoss
   Dan Wentz
   Mitri Van
   Brad Johnson
   Jim Boone
   Duncan McPherson

Special Thanks:
   Harold Kim
   Erik Hernandez
   John Palmero
   Mike Motoda
   Scott Lee
   Dawn Dvorak
   Amy Dalton
   FS2 Beta Testers
   Darren Wheeling
   BJ Mace
   Dan Kulhman
   Verena Buttler
   Alexander Streule
   Michael Schmalz
   Chris Borders
   Denise Diehl
   Neat Deal Productions
   Sharon Wottrich
   Voices Unlimited
   Vocal samples courtesy of Spectrasonics' "Symphony of Voices"


Interplay:
----------

Producer:
   Jim Boone

Line Producer:
   Primo Pulanco

V.P. of Product Development:
   Trish Wright

Division Director:
   Feargus Urquhart

Director of Quality Assurance:
   Jeremy Barnes

QA Manager:
   Michael Motoda
   Greg Baumeister

Quality Assurance Project Supervisor:
and Compatibility Manager:
   Darrell Jones

Testers:
   Erik Hernandez
   John Palmero
   Harold Kim
   Tony Piccoli
   David Fleischmann
   Matt Golembiewski
   Galacio Ramirez
   Tim Anderson
   Henry Lee

Compatibility Technicians:
   John Parker
   Derek Gibbs
   Josh Walters
   David Parkyn

Product Marketing Manager:
   Alison Quirion

Communications Manager:
   Lisa Bucek

Traffic Manager:
   Paul Naftalis

Terminology Consultant:
   GySgt. John R. Boone (USMC, ret.)

Special Thanks:
   Noelle for putting up with the long absence.
   Chad Nicholas for delaying his move so he could make missions.
   Erik Hernandez, John Palmero, Harold Kim, and Mike Motoda for
putting their lives on hold.
   Feargus Urquhart for all the great advice.


Special Thanks to the FreeSpace Community:
   The FDL
   Descent Chronicles
   The Descent Network
   FreeSpace2.Net
   FreeSpace2.Org
   FreeSpace SwapMeet
   FSURP
   FUDL
   Ground FreeSpace
   Planet FreeSpace
   Ross 128
   Science Station Andromeda
   Shattered Star Confederation
   A Talent For War
   Xanadu's Mission Archives

Freespace Source Code Project:

DTP        Coder and FRED Maintainer
Goober5000    Coder    
IceFire    VW Liason
Inquisitor    Project Lead
kasperl    News guy
Orange       Webmaster
phreak       Coder
RandomTiger   DirectX Code Lead
Righteous1   Coder
bobboau      Coder
Stealth    Webmaster / Tester List Maintaner

bottomfan   Readme documentation
deep_eyes   Readme documentation

------

If you like what you see, consider giving back to the community by
providing them with your skills!

All parts of this installation are the property of their respective
owners.



I've also insluded another text file (not the readme) that will pop at the end on the installation. It is intended to explain what exactly the release is, and that FS2 Open is also A WIP (so they should check for updates... yada yada)

Anyways, here's what I put in now.
Quote

********************************************************
       IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO NOTE

      PLEASE READ IN FULL.

   THIS SOFTWARE IS NOT FOR SALE. ALL
     CONTENT IS THE PROPETY OF ITS
      REPECTIVE OWNERS.
*******************************************************

   FreeSpace2 was developed by Volition Inc.
   [ http://www.volition-inc.com/ ]

   All original source code, art work, etc. is the
property of Volition, Inc. You may not sell or otherwise
commercially exploit the source or things you create
based on the source, or any other of Volitions work.

   Freespace2 was published with Interplay.
   [ http://www.interplay.com/ ]

   PXO was responsible for managing on-line play.
   [ http://www.pxo.net ]
   
   This release uses the ongoing work of the
   Freespace Source Code Project.
   [ http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/fsscp/ ]

   FS_OPEN is always in constant development, and
it is recommended that you visit their webpage after
installation to check for any new realeases and updates,
as they will contain bug fixes and enhancements for you
to take advantage of.

   The software included in this release comes with
no gurantees whatsoever. We are not responsible for any
damadges incurred to your network, system, software, or
any of you or your companies property.
********************************************************


On top of that, the official FS2Open readme is in there. What I'm going to put in in the readme is a list of enhancements in the current official version that have been made.

So also let me know what info you think I should put in there!

So I'm working with the Inno Setup compiler [just learned how to use it today] to get a version together that people could just download, and have all the .VP files, and Games files, and not having to search for anything.

It's going to be a big download, But I've split it ip into ~25MB BIN files so that people could get it in chunks.

*** The size it is at now with all of this is 809MB.
it is going to get bigger for sure because I want to add the
Modding tools and utilities the community has developped. However I was thinking of having several versions available.

Anyways, more info to follow as I progress.

**************************


UPDATE

Okay, I updated the readme and info files for now. What I need to do is as follows:

I am also going to get the official FSSCP readme to lauch as well after installation. [ http://fs2source.warpcore.org/readme/readme_3.6.txt is the latest one I found ]

What I was wondering is how to credit those who contibuted to the unofficial media vp???
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: kode on October 27, 2003, 03:31:44 pm
maybe we can supply it as bittorrent files?
that means people here actually has to do their part and share it, tho.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 27, 2003, 03:34:22 pm
I've got my first version finished, it weighs in at 792MB.

Not much more I can trim off of that. I've split is so that the files can be placed on 2 650MB CD's.

Next thing I have to workin on is perfecting the .ini file to create an uninstall routine.

Cheers!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 27, 2003, 03:37:01 pm
Quote
Originally posted by kode
maybe we can supply it as bittorrent files?
that means people here actually has to do their part and share it, tho.


My concern is mainly that the FTP server can server out the .VP files, but for a huge lunp like this, my FTP server just doesn't cut it. Besides, those who use my FTP server are most likely the one's who downloaded the HOTU version.

Anyways I'll look around as well.

Cheers!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 27, 2003, 03:47:37 pm
OK I tried it out and it works perfectly.

The setup routine goes by fine, it puts the shorcut in the start menu, and when you lauch it it opens the Launcher... all good. :)

Oh yeah, and it configures the unintall automatically.. hehe  WOOT!!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 27, 2003, 04:45:22 pm
Boy, for some reason I thought there would be some more interest in this.

:confused:

Cheers!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: kode on October 27, 2003, 04:47:15 pm
well, I have an interest in this. maybe you should give people some more time to find and read the thread.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Lightspeed on October 27, 2003, 05:06:12 pm
:yes:  

If we want to promote FS2open and get more people, this definately is the way to go.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 27, 2003, 05:51:03 pm
Just putting the package together again, I forgot to include some shortcuts and the unofficial media .vp from the fsscp.

Anyways, everything works perfectly.

I'll edit this and put in the final file size.


It came out to being 799MB in total.

Now, it is split up into into 32 .bin files, of 25MB apeice, that can be spanned over 2 cd's [cd1: 650MB, cd2: 149MB]
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: kode on October 27, 2003, 06:12:23 pm
so then we can put some campaigns and stuff on what's left of the second cd, as an optional download package, perhaps?
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: übermetroid on October 27, 2003, 06:27:26 pm
I thought Fileplanet was great for big downloads...  Not that I would want to download that much from them, but they will host it.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: KARMA on October 27, 2003, 06:48:44 pm
you are surely doing a great thing, but...

1-I'm not sure it will be completely legal to distribute it.
and don't say: "hey but there is the HOTU version free for download".
HOTU isn't completely legal itself.
They just assume that nobody will claim rights on the games they distribute since those games are old and have exhausted their commercial utility, but this doesn't mean that they have permission.
Personally I think they probably had informal contacts with the software houses before adding the games to their site, but as said this doesn't mean that1 HOTU is legal, and probably it will  be not completely legal to distribute what you have done too

2-related to first one, I think it will be hard to find enough webspace where to place it. Sites like gamespy or many others related to games and that could be interested, usually pay extreme attention about possible copyright violations. Bittorrent is a partial solution (but still you'd need to find the space, or am I wrong?). Peer to peer may be another way to distribute it.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 27, 2003, 06:58:08 pm
Quote
Originally posted by KARMA
you are surely doing a great thing, but...
Peer to peer may be another way to distribute it.


That's the only way I could really think about it. Because like you said, the legality of it is in question.

So, I was thinking I'd just package it, and go from there.
Title: I second the P2P
Post by: Star Dragon on October 27, 2003, 06:59:28 pm
Assuming you can get a system set up for like weekly downloads one can HOST he files and have the link with hook up info listed as to when you will bemaking your computer "available" to DL from those FS2 files needed...

Sound right?
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Bobboau on October 27, 2003, 07:44:01 pm
maybe we would be more exited if we all didn't have a full instal alredy, pimp it somewere with people that don't have fs2
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 27, 2003, 07:50:30 pm
Well, I'm trying to 'pimp' it here because:

a. I'd like to know if people though this would at all help with spreading the word about FS2 and all the work people are putting into it

b. so that people would know about it and be able to pass the word on that such a compilation is available.

c. to make it easier for people who are lazy and don't want to search around for all the files to have a package that represents all the work that peole have put into it.

d. to get people's feedback as to what exactly should be included.

I'm posting the info here because I wanted to get some responses since I know I read other threads where this was one thing that was mentined.

Cheers!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Setekh on October 27, 2003, 08:39:27 pm
Great work, Fractux. :) I'll go contact FilePlanet about this, they may be interested in making something of it.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: übermetroid on October 27, 2003, 09:20:51 pm
Well if you get Fileplanet to help out have GE (or someone else) make a .VP will all the Port files (someone would have to get the AVIs of FS1).  That way you can get FS2 AND FS1!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 27, 2003, 09:47:12 pm
Quote
Originally posted by ubermetroid
Well if you get Fileplanet to help out have GE (or someone else) make a .VP will all the Port files (someone would have to get the AVIs of FS1).  That way you can get FS2 AND FS1!


I have almost all of the movies from FS1 on my FTP server, uploaded by DracosX. Here are the ones I have:

ancients1 through 5
commandbrief
hallfight
intro

But you can get all of the FS1 VP files from fileplanet already! linked from the fs1 port website.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 27, 2003, 10:45:55 pm
Well, I worked out all of the little quirks I discovered while testing.

I'm going to do a bit more testing before I put it up on the FTP server, but there should not be any problems.

It finally weighs in at a grand total of 809MB.

Cheers!

(http://www3.sympatico.ca/kbros/fs2/01.jpg) (http://www3.sympatico.ca/kbros/fs2/02.jpg) (http://www3.sympatico.ca/kbros/fs2/03.jpg) (http://www3.sympatico.ca/kbros/fs2/04.jpg) (http://www3.sympatico.ca/kbros/fs2/05.jpg) (http://www3.sympatico.ca/kbros/fs2/06.jpg) (http://www3.sympatico.ca/kbros/fs2/07.jpg)(http://www3.sympatico.ca/kbros/fs2/08.jpg)
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Trivial Psychic on October 28, 2003, 02:35:09 am
Let me say firstly that I have complete copies of both FS1/ST and FS2 so this would be of little use to me, but considering the limited availablilty of retail FS2, I think this is a beneficial idea, if you can get around the hosting and legal issues.  I do have some concerns however:

1. You have billed this as FS2_Open 3.5.5 Full Install, and while it may be true, there should be a message mentioning the work-in-progress status of the "Open" features, and thus it will not function like clock-work.  On the same line, I hope you plan on including the 1.2 update (or perhaps pre-installed) for the regular, and the FS2 standard exe.

2.  Billing its support for Open, you may want to eventually release an exclusively Open version, once things have settled down somewhat stabilitywise, and especially once support for higher compression format audio and image files has been included and perfected (assuming they will be).  This would go a long way to compensating for the large size of the install.  This would however, obviously negate the use of FS2 original in this release.

Later!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Tolwyn on October 28, 2003, 03:27:35 am
Quote
Originally posted by Fractux
OK I tried it out and it works perfectly.

The setup routine goes by fine, it puts the shorcut in the start menu, and when you lauch it it opens the Launcher... all good. :)

Oh yeah, and it configures the unintall automatically.. hehe  WOOT!!


hey, send me an email... I am sure I could set up a mirror for your files :D
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fineus on October 28, 2003, 04:14:47 am
Quote
Originally posted by Trivial Psychic
Let me say firstly that I have complete copies of both FS1/ST and FS2 so this would be of little use to me, but considering the limited availablilty of retail FS2, I think this is a beneficial idea, if you can get around the hosting and legal issues.  I do have some concerns however:

Well said, but as long as its carefully done we should be fine. Besides, I only dislike warez and such out of the fact that it can't be discussed here. Any way to circulate FS2 to more people at this stage is a great idea, so long as it doesn't upset 3DAP, Volition or anyone else...
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 28, 2003, 09:07:00 am
Quote
Originally posted by Trivial Psychic
Let me say firstly that I have complete copies of both FS1/ST and FS2 so this would be of little use to me, but considering the limited availablilty of retail FS2, I think this is a beneficial idea, if you can get around the hosting and legal issues.  I do have some concerns however:

1. You have billed this as FS2_Open 3.5.5 Full Install, and while it may be true, there should be a message mentioning the work-in-progress status of the "Open" features, and thus it will not function like clock-work.  On the same line, I hope you plan on including the 1.2 update (or perhaps pre-installed) for the regular, and the FS2 standard exe.

2.  Billing its support for Open, you may want to eventually release an exclusively Open version, once things have settled down somewhat stabilitywise, and especially once support for higher compression format audio and image files has been included and perfected (assuming they will be).  This would go a long way to compensating for the large size of the install.  This would however, obviously negate the use of FS2 original in this release.

Later!


I'm also aware of the legal issues that could be involved. However, fileplanet did host the Fs1 .VP files, so as far as I can tell, other than the .avi movies, we should not really have to worry.

repsonse to 1. If you read the README i pasted, i did include the v1.2 exe files in the package. When the game gets installed, all of the original .exe files are placed in a subdirectory in the main game folder. The only .exe file that get's placed there is the fs_open_3.5.5.exe and Launcher (2.5).

I'm going to see if I can get setup to first lauch a text file stating that FS_OPEN is a work in progress, and that it may not work on all systems. That's why the original .exe files will be included. [Also if people want to use FRED2 instead]

in response to 2. That's why I included the fsscp unofficial media VP, and why I placed some of the textures from FS1 to FS2 port in the package.



Tolwyn, I will send you an email about it when I finalize everything. The size won't change from the 809MB package it is now.


Quote
Well said, but as long as its carefully done we should be fine. Besides, I only dislike warez and such out of the fact that it can't be discussed here. Any way to circulate FS2 to more people at this stage is a great idea, so long as it doesn't upset 3DAP, Volition or anyone else...


I agree, that I don't want to upset anyone.

Cheers!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: KARMA on October 28, 2003, 09:08:32 am
personally I think someone should try to contact :v: or/and interplay, and ask for permission to distribute this thing
It may sound excessive at a first time, but clarifying this point could bring in my opinion incredible advantages for the community.
If they don't care anymore about the artwork (until it isn't used for profit), modders will be free to release their campaigns as complete games, creating single complete downloads built specifically to run a campaign, or maybe we can use fso as a shared platform for different campaigns; we could use this freespace special release to pimp the game out of the community, expecially once the ht&l system will be fully implemented and debugged; we may find magazines interested in publishing it with a collection of mods... having this permission would mean to open many new interesting horizonts, that could be partially opened now only completely remaking all the interface
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Bobboau on October 28, 2003, 09:13:58 am
you should include the origonal fs2 exe, as well as the latest offical relese, give out a link to the SCP website and forum
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: kasperl on October 28, 2003, 10:17:54 am
another idea, add a few campaigns with a good quality/size ratio, and prepare shortcuts for FS_OPEN using the mod flag, test all fot these camps under FS_OPEN, and put these shortcuts in a seperate start-menu subfolder with FS2. this way, people can play mods without having to think, making this package available and helpfull to an even wider group of people.

and for hosting, talk to an0n, he might have some space left over.

as for legality, interplay can;t say nothing, they say they don't have the rights no more, so they can't sue you and say that you knew they had the gihts or something, so you'd only need to contact :V:.
but can anyone answer this, if you try your best to contact an organisation about a copyright, but they don't respond, and you break the right, can they sue you?
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: karajorma on October 28, 2003, 11:11:25 am
Quote
Originally posted by kasperl
but can anyone answer this, if you try your best to contact an organisation about a copyright, but they don't respond, and you break the right, can they sue you?


Unfortunately they can. Trade Marks must be defended. If I wrote a letter to Microsoft and said that I was planning to make a new company with the same name they would have to tell me to stop immediately. IF I went ahead they would lose the right to sue me.

AFAIK copywrite isn't treated the same way. Anything I copywrite belongs to me. If I choose to do so I can let everyone pirate it and then only sue the RIAA/Bill Gates/George Bush/Everyone else I don't like.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 28, 2003, 11:23:19 am
I agree that I don't want to rush into putting up this compilation, only to find a team of lawyers on my ass.

I'll contact V and see what they have to say about it. But first off, anyone know the contact address I should use?

I haven't found any pertinent one listed on the V website.

Like I said before, Fileplanet hoster the Fs1 VP files, but I still would like to get confirmation so I don't make false assumptions.

I'm keeping note of all the suggestions, especially the inclusion of Mods.

I think that could be a big point to include a few in the package. That will let people know there are quality mods out there and that the FS2 engine is still an option for mod developers.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: KARMA on October 28, 2003, 11:58:30 am
It would be better someone who represent the community to contact :v: , maybe setekh, but if you are going to do so, just make it clear that this "project" will be completely non commercial, there will be no profit at all (or if there will be any it won't happen without their permission), credits will always be given, the project is intended to help the community of modders, etc etc
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 28, 2003, 12:20:01 pm
Quote
Originally posted by KARMA
It would be better someone who represent the community to contact :v: , maybe setekh, but if you are going to do so, just make it clear that this "project" will be completely non commercial, there will be no profit at all (or if there will be any it won't happen without their permission), credits will always be given, the project is intended to help the community of modders, etc etc


Perhaps you're right. It may be perceived in a different like if someone more familiar to them contacts them about this posibility?

As far as giving cretit, I'm making sure to put all of that in with the readme file.

Please keep giving me your suggestions and ideas, as all I'm trying to do is collect some of the major parts of the communities work into a consolidated package.

Cheers!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 28, 2003, 01:31:34 pm
Updated my first post. Please give it a look and get back to me with your suggestions!

Cheers!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: GT-Keravnos on October 29, 2003, 11:15:33 am
Hey, I think that thread goes in my sig!

Yes, it is that good!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 29, 2003, 01:34:13 pm
Quote
Originally posted by GT-Keravnos
Hey, I think that thread goes in my sig!

Yes, it is that good!


Whoa hey hold your horses there. With this new development coming to light [ see thread ] (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,18490.0.html) we now have to figure out what the heck is going on.

Oh yeah, and it's not available for download, so it's best if you just point people to karajorma's site as a starting point.

Cheers!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on October 29, 2003, 11:18:40 pm
I had some more thoughts on the subject, and they had to do with diferent versions.

1. HOTU download repackaged with an installer. This would be a small version of 300MB - 350MB maximum. [this is because we'll include sparky_hi ]

2. Full Intstallation. All the bells and wistles, this would be about 850MB [ it would also include the utilities like the FSProKit.. etc..

3. .VP file kits - music, voices, etc.

4. .AVI kit - the missing cutscenes from the base package.


By breaking it down into components like this, it may get more coverage.

I was thinking again about the MOD packages, but I'm not sure what to do in that repsect.

Putting in the full FS1 2.2 port [with the voice, music and animations ] would add another 250 or so MB's.

And then it comes to deciding what other MODS to put in. I would think that at leat one should be included.

So having fs1 port plus a mod or two would boost it up to 1.3GB or so.

Maybe it's not worth it?

Or instead of MODS, just add in a buch of the best player made campains, missions, etc. etc???

I think that may be the better way to go. So that with the install to also put a comprehensive list of the MODS available, as well as tutorials, community supports etc.

Anyways, just some thoughts.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: StratComm on October 29, 2003, 11:24:30 pm
A "comprehensive list" is worthless, since you'd have to be constantly repackage it.  A better solution would be a link Skippy's campaign list, here and , VWatch, since about all the mods are referenced from one of those places anyway.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Setekh on October 30, 2003, 02:19:03 am
Nice work on the installer, Fractux. :)
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: DeepSpace9er on October 30, 2003, 07:01:36 am
Maybe if you wait 50 years, the copyright will expire and it will be legal... :D
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Johnmike on November 01, 2003, 11:49:48 pm
You guys rock.  o.O
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Setekh on November 02, 2003, 12:03:40 am
It's a bit overwhelming, isn't it? ;) Download this, and play it after you've finished the main FS2 campaign in the original version. :)
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on November 04, 2003, 02:11:11 pm
UPDATE

Okay, I updated the readme and info files for now. What I need to do is as follows:

I am also going to get the official FSSCP readme to lauch as well after installation. [ http://fs2source.warpcore.org/readme/readme_3.6.txt is the latest one I found ]

What I was wondering is how to credit those who contibuted to the unofficial media vp???
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: kasperl on November 04, 2003, 02:21:39 pm
ask in the thread about it in the SCP FAQ forum, i thought WM-Coolmon put it together, but i'm not sure.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on November 04, 2003, 02:50:16 pm
Here is what the licence will read at the start of the install.

Quote

Freespace 2 is © Volition Inc., THQ, Interplay, PXO, SquadWar.

All rights reserved.

THIS SOFTWARE IS NOT FOR SALE.

FS_OPEN is being developed through the efforts of the
Freespace Source Code Project.

Any additional materials included have been taken from
members of the Freespace communities, and are freely
available outside of this package.

You may not sell or otherwise commercially exploit anything
from this package, or anything created with this package.

ALL CONTENT IS THE PROPETY OF ITS REPECTIVE OWNERS.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Woolie Wool on November 04, 2003, 03:20:49 pm
The last sentence should read:

"All content is the property of its respective owners"

IMO, mispellings on legal stuff is a big no-no.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on November 04, 2003, 03:28:40 pm
Hmm for some reason spelcheck ain't detecting that one.. heh..

Thanks for pointing that out.

Cheers!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Setekh on November 05, 2003, 07:15:32 pm
W00t!

[q]To: "'Eddie Woo'"
Subject: RE: A feature: full download of FreeSpace 2 Open


Hi Setekh,

Thanks for your e-mail.  I was actually not familiar with the efforts to update FreeSpace 2.  This is an impressive and exciting project.  I would be happy to host the file and promote it like crazy on the front page of FilePlanet and in our weekly newsletters.  I'll do everything I can to make sure that the 8-10 million monthly visitors to FilePlanet know all about it.  :-)

I do have a few questions for you.  First, can you point me to the license agreement for the source code?  I'm sure you guys have thought all this through, but I want to at least glance at the license to be sure that the distribution would be legal.  Second, when do you think the final version will be ready for release?  And third, would you be willing to let FilePlanet Subscribers beta test it before the final release?  This would give me a reason to promote the release even more, and give a little perk to the guys who pay for the bandwidth.  I can give you and your team complementary accounts, naturally.

Darren L. Tabor
Executive Director, Subscription Services[/q]
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Taristin on November 05, 2003, 07:20:25 pm
As cool as that is, I feel oddly resentful that their subscribers should get such a perk.

Why is beyond me. Probably something stemming from my childhood. :rolleyes:
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: ERCEKION on November 05, 2003, 07:33:01 pm
Hi !!!

where i can get that ????

PS do anybody knows where i can download full sounds for FS 2 ???
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: DeepSpace9er on November 05, 2003, 11:27:20 pm
Awesome Setekh. All you have to do now is check the fine print for any "ifs", "ands", or "buts"

:yes: :yes:
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: StratComm on November 05, 2003, 11:50:02 pm
That's suprisingly and refreshingly enthusiastic.  Wow!  As far as legality is concerned, I think the only risk, as we've said all along, comes in the artwork and supporting files.  All of that hazy IP stuff.  But if they can host TC's to universes such as B5 and ST, then I can't really see the rather obscure Freespace universe being too much trouble.  Best to play it safe I know, but that's just my $.02
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Ulala on November 06, 2003, 12:02:10 am
Quote
Originally posted by Fractux


c. to make it easier for people who are lazy and don't want to search around for all the files to have a package that represents all the work that peole have put into it.

 


Yes. Please. I beg of you. I'm retarded when it comes to entering information in the tables or putting the exact .pcx file where it's supposed to go. I really hope this works out!
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: karajorma on November 06, 2003, 04:57:33 am
Quote
Originally posted by ERCEKION
Hi !!!

where i can get that ????

PS do anybody knows where i can download full sounds for FS 2 ???


:welcome:

Check the link to my FAQ below. I'm assuming you're using the HotU version and I've got a FAQ specially made for people doing that in there.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: ERCEKION on November 06, 2003, 01:32:41 pm
thanks !
PS sorry if my english isnt very good but im from poland and i dont have many iccasions to speak English
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: karajorma on November 06, 2003, 02:00:10 pm
No problem. I've seen much worse :D
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: ERCEKION on November 06, 2003, 03:09:57 pm
is there ant password for this FTP server ( there was a link in the FAQ)
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: karajorma on November 06, 2003, 04:06:22 pm
If I remember correctly you can just type in anything you want as the password as long as you've used the correct username.

Have a look at this thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,16047.0.html) for more details.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Starks on November 06, 2003, 09:46:00 pm
Why don't we just call [V]?
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: WMCoolmon on November 07, 2003, 12:44:14 am
Quote
Freespace Source Code Project:

DTP Coder and FRED Maintainer
Goober5000 Coder
IceFire VW Liason
Inquisitor Project Lead
kasperl News guy
Orange Webmaster
phreak Coder
RandomTiger DirectX Code Lead
Righteous1 Coder
bobboau Coder
Stealth Webmaster / Tester List Maintaner

bottomfan Readme documentation
deep_eyes Readme documentation

What about me? :(
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Setekh on November 07, 2003, 05:33:41 am
Quote
Originally posted by ERCEKION
thanks !
PS sorry if my english isnt very good but im from poland and i dont have many iccasions to speak English


You're fine, Ercekion - welcome to HLP :)

:welcome:
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Setekh on November 07, 2003, 05:34:19 am
Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon

What about me? :(


If you tell me your staff position, I can add you to the list. :)
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: kasperl on November 07, 2003, 10:05:15 am
i shouldn't be on that, but i already said so in the SCP thread.
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Setekh on November 07, 2003, 06:48:59 pm
Wait a minute. That's not the HLP list... what list is that? :nervous:
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Drew on November 19, 2003, 09:01:41 am
Fractux dude, all the VPs bundeled together add up to a handy 1.33 GB.....
Along with the .avis and the media VPs well uhhhh..... :shaking:
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Fractux on November 19, 2003, 09:34:32 am
Compressed the install is ~810MB
Title: WIP: Freespace 2 Open Download FULL installation
Post by: Setekh on November 21, 2003, 03:20:17 am
Have you got a list of all the components you're putting into the package? I forgot. ;)