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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 16, 2002, 11:02:45 pm

Title: Teachers and students
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 16, 2002, 11:02:45 pm: ok, here's my idea.

We have classes. Classes on texturing, modelling, visual conceptualization between the races. Anything that is FS. I mean a class with some one willing to teach, and people willing to learn. This could all be done in a chat room, i can make these, even though the full time chats got shot down.

So first we go through the poll and see if anyone is even interested in this concept. you can choose more than one option.

i'll build em if you'll use em, i just want to give something back.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Solatar on August 16, 2002, 11:25:06 pm: I would ove to learn MODing one on one, but the various tutorials are the same thing, and most of the MODers in the community are busy, and this would take away from other projects that are more important.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Anaz on August 16, 2002, 11:49:30 pm: AP is kinda dead in the water, and I wouldn't mind helping a few newbies through basic truespace steps...the only problem is that I have no instant messangers that are allowed on dad's network (:mad: )

I still would be happy to teach...especially if someone else could teach me the finer parts of pof editing...
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: vadar_1 on August 17, 2002, 12:04:42 am: (http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/hosted/fullcircle/imbored.jpg)
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: RandomTiger on August 17, 2002, 05:03:33 am: I dont think chat is the best way to handle the main bulk of what need to be learned, it would be better for clearing up problems and advanced stuff.

A well thought out collection of web pages with tested tutorials would be a cool thing (if it doesnt already exist).
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Sandwich on August 17, 2002, 06:20:17 am: Well, as far as a well thought-out tutorial (Warning, PIMPCON LEVEL 4!), I've put a good many days into this one (http://www.brainzipper.com/fs2/rhino_fs2/) for modelling in Rhino3D and converting said model into trueSpace and FreeSpace.

And now, our first lesson comes to us by way of an example of what not to do: :wink:

Quote
Originally posted by vadar_1
(http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/hosted/fullcircle/imbored.jpg)

Here we have a dialog box with sharp borders between colors (the text) and no smooth color gradations except for the title bar, which is near-negligable.

Now,while JPG's are good for photos and photo-realistic renders - basically, anything that simulates the look of "reality", it is far from the best format to use for images such as this, or cartoon-like illustrations. As you can see, this image, currently a JPEG, has noticable image noise around the text and sharp-edged illustration. For such images, use GIFs. :nod:

That has been your lesson for today, kids! I hope you learned something. If you want to know the why, lemme know and I'll write something up. :)

Oh, and Vadar: thanks for the example - it was good timing (and quite hilarious, I might add... :lol: ).
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Redfang on August 17, 2002, 06:52:05 am: Quote
Originally posted by vadar_1
*image removed*

Nice... :lol:

*cough*Sandwich... admin should know better... *cough*
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Sandwich on August 17, 2002, 07:15:09 am: Quote
Originally posted by Redfang
*cough*Sandwich... admin should know better... *cough*

What, including the image in my quote? It was being actively used as an example.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Unknown Target on August 17, 2002, 09:14:29 am: I'd be willing to teach tabling.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: an0n on August 17, 2002, 09:44:32 am: Where's WMC. He should be pimping in here by now.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: LtNarol on August 17, 2002, 01:29:23 pm: I think there should be a dedicated forum for this, I would help out except that I really dont have any time with RL being as hectic as it is...
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: aldo_14 on August 17, 2002, 02:01:06 pm: Quote
Originally posted by LtNarol
I think there should be a dedicated forum for this..

I think that's what FS Modding is for, really.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 18, 2002, 12:38:00 pm: ok, so we have unknown being willing to teach......there were others who said they would be as well......in the poll, but i have no idea who you are. unknown, how do you think we should set this up?
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Solatar on August 18, 2002, 03:04:44 pm: I could also teach table hacking.

EDIT:Though almost everything except the ships and weapons tables are self explanatory. Even the ships and weapons are, they are just a little harder to figure out.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Sandwich on August 18, 2002, 03:38:42 pm: Quote
Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
ok, so we have unknown being willing to teach......there were others who said they would be as well......in the poll, but i have no idea who you are. unknown,

Yeah, you guys who said you can teach, speak up - no use hiding. :) Besides, If need be, I know who you are. ;7
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: karajorma on August 18, 2002, 06:45:22 pm: I'd be willing to teach some FRED tips and tricks that aren`t covered by the walkthrough.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 18, 2002, 07:23:11 pm: ok for you guys who are wanting to teach......how should we set this up? just have you pick a time and date when you can do it, and then set up a class, like on a schedule? also..

look here

[EDIT] used to be a link [EDIT]
the classrooms are set up

and they are removed.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Sandwich on August 18, 2002, 08:02:55 pm: Quote
Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
ok for you guys who are wanting to teach......how should we set this up? just have you pick a time and date when you can do it, and then set up a class, like on a schedule?

I'll see what I can do about getting something seriously special set up... no guarantees! :D

*puts finger on lips*

Shhhhhhhhhh.... :wink:
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 18, 2002, 09:35:00 pm: ok, just let me know where things will be held and when.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Anaz on August 18, 2002, 09:45:33 pm: stay tuned to this thread!
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 18, 2002, 09:47:10 pm: i have to, i get an email with every reply.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Unknown Target on August 19, 2002, 12:53:43 pm: Quote
Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
ok, so we have unknown being willing to teach......there were others who said they would be as well......in the poll, but i have no idea who you are. unknown,

Lol. I wrote the HLPBB Movie, and I'm the tabler for the Robotech MOD (among other things) and the tabler/modder for Mind Games, or used to be, I think.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 19, 2002, 12:58:19 pm: noooo unknown, you misunderstand....i know who you are....but by the poll others said they would be willing to teach, i was wondering who they are. they answered yes to the poll, but then didn't give an affirmative reply except in a few instances.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: karajorma on August 19, 2002, 05:51:35 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Unkown Target

Lol. I wrote the HLPBB Movie, and I'm the tabler for the Robotech MOD (among other things) and the tabler/modder for Mind Games, or used to be, I think.

You still are. Read the MG board a bit more often :D
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Unknown Target on August 20, 2002, 07:04:23 am: :wtf:? OK, don't know what you're asking, so: I'm willing to teach tabeling, so I voted for teaching :D How's that? ICQ would be nice.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: penguin on August 20, 2002, 10:52:35 am: I didn't vote 'cause I want both :nod:

I can't model, maybe it's a left brain/right brain thing. Maybe I could learn :doubt:

Um, I can program pretty well, though. Don't think I could teach this online, but I could answer questions about the source code, assuming I could find the answers :) Actually, learning how to find the answers yourself is an extremely valuable lesson...
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 20, 2002, 04:53:54 pm: i do have a source code question for you penguin.
About a month ago there was a thread about planetary mods. Basically, space combat, atmpshperic combat, and ground combat. you said we would need 3 engines to pull this off. I got one, but when i got no reply as to whether or not you wanted me to keep looking, i stopped looking for the other. We you thinking of doing it, or just telling us what we would need?

and by the way, you can vote more than one item in this poll.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: penguin on August 20, 2002, 07:26:29 pm: Quote
Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
Were you thinking of doing it, or just telling us what we would need?
Mostly the latter, sorry :)

To be honest, I think that would be a whole new game, or at least a branch ("fs2_open: total combat" :)) that would be separate from what most of us are doing with the "space sim" part. Obviously anyone who wants to work on such a thing is welcome to do so, and can use any code from the fs2_open project.

It's not that I have no interest in doing it, there are just other things I would rather work on, and I've got limited time what with work, family, and all those other RL™ things...
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 20, 2002, 08:21:16 pm: oh it's not a problem....i was just wondering
Title: teaching and learning
Post by: The Refugee on August 20, 2002, 09:28:35 pm: I owe shadow. I only have fs1, but he taught me how to input the herc mk2 into fs1. once i got that working i also put in the aeoles the rakshasa the persius...........too many to mention.

he is currently teaching me how to input the fs2 weaps.

i would teach and learn but i voted for LEARN. i could teach tbling but what i really want to learn is how to make my own wireframe and ships.

if any of you could help me do that i would gladly teach tbling and skinning im good at that to so count me in for teach and learn

AND whoever said ignore shadows ideas deserves to get a subach hl-7 shoved up there a** and for shadow to pull the trigger;7
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 20, 2002, 10:19:25 pm: refugee sometimes you have to learn to ignore people, i think we have a mutual agreement on the ignoring thing. but thanks for the vote of confidence. do you texture, or retexture?
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: AqueousShadow on August 22, 2002, 02:03:20 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Unkown Target
ICQ would be nice.

How 'bout AIM? But Shadow did say that he would put up "classrooms" for it :rolleyes:
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 22, 2002, 03:50:44 pm: basically they are just chat rooms, they are ready....

i mean the classrooms to which "that other Shadow";) refers....
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Anaz on August 22, 2002, 06:33:42 pm: bah...I can't use ICQ, aim, most IMs...I managed to squirrl away a copy of mIRC....
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Vasudan Admiral on August 23, 2002, 01:36:33 am: i could learn heaps, practice and then teach :D

so far i can build models, do some intermediet texturing on them, pof them and do intermediet tbl hacking. bit rusty on the fredding though, and need to figure out unwrapping.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on August 25, 2002, 10:26:04 pm: ok, basically i would like for anyone willing to teach to leave me a PM, include the best times for you to do this, what you plan to teach, etc etc......name would be a good thing too. :p
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: Sandwich on August 27, 2002, 04:35:33 am: Quote
Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
...which "that other Shadow";) refers....

*looks up how many people have "shadow" in their usernames*

*considers banning the word "shadow" from any future user registrations*

;7 :wink:
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: AqueousShadow on August 27, 2002, 12:16:06 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich

*looks up how many people have "shadow" in their usernames*

*considers banning the word "shadow" from any future user registrations*

;7 :wink:

:lol:
Title: T and L
Post by: The Refugee on August 28, 2002, 07:52:45 am: ok i texture and retexture i managed to scrounge a copy of adobe photoshop 5.0 so i can do damn near everything. i would like to learn wireframe so i can finally create the GTHC (galactic terran heavy cruiser) Dreadnought.

i coyuld teach tbling skinning reskinning and inputing from fs2 to fs1.

i could learn to make my own wireframes and manners
Title: Re: T and L
Post by: karajorma on August 28, 2002, 09:44:20 am: Quote
Originally posted by The Refugee
ok i texture and retexture i managed to scrounge a copy of adobe photoshop 5.0 so i can do damn near everything. i would like to learn wireframe so i can finally create the GTHC (galactic terran heavy cruiser) Dreadnought.

i coyuld teach tbling skinning reskinning and inputing from fs2 to fs1.

i could learn to make my own wireframes and manners

A word to the wise. Posting the same thing on different threads doesn`t make it more likely that people will help you. In fact it has quite the reverse effect as it annoys people and makes it less likely that they will help you.
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: The Refugee on August 28, 2002, 10:43:42 pm: i didnt mean to post it in differant threads. i clicked the wrong button and didnt realize it..... i didnt know how to delete it so i posted it here were i meant it to be

sorry about the mix up.......
Title: Teachers and students
Post by: karajorma on August 29, 2002, 05:03:22 am: I figured that might be a possibility later. For reference try the edit button. I`ve never tried it but on some boards you can delete as long as no one has replied.
Even if you can`t a simple edit to say that you made a mistake looks a lot better :)