[Polpolion]

Then how come they could destroy stuff so quikly in FS1?

[Kie99]

Because the Orion has 100000 Hitpoints, and the Shivan Super Laser does 15000 Damage per shot, and is always fired twice by the Lucifer.  It shoots them every 10 seconds, doing 30% damage each time to an Orion.  The Orion was already damaged by the time the Lucifer jumped in, and the only other time it uses it's Lasers is when an Arcadia is at 1%.

A single BFRed blast can destroy an Orion at full strength.

[Polpolion]

No it can't. I looked it up in the weapons.tbl, the BFRed has 2100 damage.

[watsisname]

IIRC, a single BFRed will last 7 seconds, and it does the most damager per shot, most damage per minute, and has the shortest "reload" time.
(Go figure, the Shivan's always have the best beams.)  So when you say in the tables it does 2100 damage, that doesn't account for a full 7 seconds of hitting the target.  Check the FS2 beam reference for details on all beam statistics.
Try FREDing a Sathanas with the fire-beam SEXP, shooting once at an Orion.  I think it does in fact destroy it.  (I haven't tried it, so perhaps I am wrong about that.)

[Kie99]

The 2100 Value is applied every few milliseconds, which is mentioned right next to it in the tables.

[Polpolion]

wouldn't the lucifer beam be applied every few seconds too then?

[karajorma]

Using the FS2 Lucifer as the basis for any tests of the power of it's beams is an exercise in futility. The weapons on the Lucifer were changed between FS1 and FS2. In FS1 the Lucifer fired a missile which had been altered to look like a beam. In FS2 added real beams which do damage in a different way (as well as looking better) and decided to change the weapons on all FS2 ships (Including the Lucifer) to reflect this.

The only fair test that can be done is to compare the effect the Lucifer does to an Orion in FS1 with the effect the Sathanas can have on an FS2 Orion.

No it can't. I looked it up in the weapons.tbl, the BFRed has 2100 damage.

Word to the wise. If you don't understand why ask a question rather than directly refuting a statement. You're less likely to get burned to a crisp that way

[Polpolion]

sorry...It was an accident...yeah...an accident...

[NGTM-1R]

The 2100 Value is applied every few milliseconds, which is mentioned right next to it in the tables.

Every few seconds. Big difference.

[TrashMan]

Incidently, a single BFRed can't take out an Orion...

I jsut tested it.

[Kie99]

The 2100 Value is applied every few milliseconds, which is mentioned right next to it in the tables.

Every few seconds. Big difference.

NOTE: for beam weapons this is kind of a "continuous" damage applied every few fractions of a second that the beam is on.

I was closer

A single BFRed definitely destroyed an orion when I tried it a while back.

[FireCrack]

Then you were playing with some whacked settings. The sathanases forward armnent is just enough to take out a destroyer in one volley pf beamfire.

[Boomer]

Too bad they can't do squat against anything smaller than a transport...

There ya go, take 4 Erinyes Wings, +another 4 Ares, +6 Artemis D.H. Wings and about o 7 Wings of Ursas...

Lets see the Sathanas stand up against that! >: )

And woe be to the one who brings up Rendering Engine Limitations! 

[FireCrack]

^i'l bring up the supercap damage flag....

[karajorma]

And I'll add that the Sathanas carries enough fighters and bombers to grind that pathetic fleet into dust.

[Boomer]

^i'l bring up the supercap damage flag....

I'm pretty sure the Helios works on supercaps...  Unfortunately, I'm at school so I can't get to the tbl's...

And I'll add that the Sathanas carries enough fighters and bombers to grind that pathetic fleet into dust.

Hmmm...  I see your great fighter complement and raise you a convenient bearbaiting plothole!  Sathanas takes damage to fighterbay in earlier battle like Big C did!

<prepares for fast approaching smackdown from the headmasters BFRed>

[FireCrack]

Helios wont even scratch the sath.

And i dont remember the sath ever taking damage to it's fighterbay...

[karajorma]

Hmmm... I see your great fighter complement and raise you a convenient bearbaiting plothole! Sathanas takes damage to fighterbay in earlier battle like Big C did!

If you're allowing plotholes be warned that large numbers of terran fighters frequently fall down plotholes too (The incredibly low number of fighters on both sides in Bearbaiting and High Noon etc).

[NGTM-1R]

Helios wont even scratch the sath.

Dual Helios is good for 1% Sathanas hull. And they will kill it; I've killed the Sathanas in "Their Finest Hour" that way.

[FireCrack]

^realy, i've turned on cheats just to fling innane amounts of helioses at a sathanas and never killed it...