[EtherShock]

Originally posted by Ace
Just saw it. Overall I was impressed. There were cheesy parts, but that's no different than the originals.

Am I the only one left with the distinct impression that Darth Plagueous' ability to coax the midochlorians (ugggh) to create life is oddly similar to Anakin's conception?

That Palpatine was *very* eager to see Vader eventually surpass him as Dark Lord of the Sith?

That Palpatine was Plagueous' apprentice?

That Palpatine may in fact be Anakin's father? In the sense that he used the force to create the perfect apprentice? Perhaps manipulating events to allow for things to unfold as they did?

You're not the only one that's come to this conclusion.

It makes sense, but that would require immense planning and manipulation. This means he would've had to made Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Padme land on Tatooine and find young Skywalker (which they did) but I don't think it was cause of him. I don't think that's possible. There's just far too many variables that come into play. I don't think Palpatine could've manipulated everything as it unfolded. Also, Palpatine said that the midichlorians could be stimulated to sustain life, I think, not create life. I don't remember exactly.

[TrashMan]

Plain and simple - Palpatine lied to bring Anakin to his side. He told him what he wanted to hear - a way to save Padme...
but there was none...no ressurections..

[StratComm]

Originally posted by EtherShock

You're not the only one that's come to this conclusion.

It makes sense, but that would require immense planning and manipulation. This means he would've had to made Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Padme land on Tatooine and find young Skywalker (which they did) but I don't think it was cause of him. I don't think that's possible. There's just far too many variables that come into play. I don't think Palpatine could've manipulated everything as it unfolded. Also, Palpatine said that the midichlorians could be stimulated to sustain life, I think, not create life. I don't remember exactly.

Palpatine did explicitly say "create life" so it's pretty obvious that he's implying that either he or his former master were responsible for Anikin's conception.  In fact, I thought the reference was not subtile enough, and that the forced connections again made the whole thing feel forced.

[Liberator]

perhaps the whole thing was a grand plan and naboo was not just some random planet that was chosen to be the impetus for the whole thing...i mean Naboo was close enough to tattooine to travel in a relatively short period of time on conventional drives.

[StratComm]

Naboo was also Senator Palpatine's, well, planet.  More likely Tattooine wasn't some random desert planet to be involved in the plot, but one carefully chosen by its location.

[Ace]

Originally posted by TopAce
Why bash this film for every single flaw you can find? What's so special in this 'WAR!'? It rather explained the situation in one word than in a long and customary 'The Galaxy has once again been burning of the horrors of war' sentence.

WAR! is very blunt compared to something such as:

The galaxy is in the throes of the Clone Wars. There are heroes on both sides of this great conflict, but evil is everywhere.

Originally posted by StratComm
Naboo was also Senator Palpatine's, well, planet.  More likely Tattooine wasn't some random desert planet to be involved in the plot, but one carefully chosen by its location.

Yup. Because remember in Star Wars there is no cooincidence. More then likely Palpy's motives were influenced by the force, making the prophecy self-fulfilling.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Nuke


but that is the sterotypical definition of nihilisim which is quite often misrepresented as negative. thats like saying all christians burn pagans, and kill jews.

It's also the/a dictionary definition.

[TopAce]

Originally posted by Ace

WAR! is very blunt compared to something such as:

The galaxy is in the throes of the Clone Wars. There are heroes on both sides of this great conflict, but evil is everywhere.
...

Very well. We will never be able to convice each other. It's only a matter of opinion. I stop discussing this. It is not worth continouing.

[mister J]

hi, loooong time lurker, long time FS player (back to the old FS1 multiplayer days, even)

anyway, regarding the WAR! thing, when I first saw it I was reminded of this:

clicky

Perhaps GL was trying to reference that... the SW movies do get their inspiration from stuff from the 40's and 50's... serials and whatnot.

[Nuke]

Originally posted by aldo_14


It's also the/a dictionary definition.

dictionary definitions can be just as biased as anything. if you compair an old dictionary to a new one you see that not all definitions are the same.

[Sandwich]

Huh, interesting parallel there.

(somebody roll out the welcome wagon!)

[Corsair]

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[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Nuke


dictionary definitions can be just as biased as anything. if you compair an old dictionary to a new one you see that not all definitions are the same.

You can't pick and choose definitions based on your own preference, though.

As a legitimate definition of the word 'nihilism', it can be used with reference to a relation with the naming of Darth Nihilus.  you wanted a possible reason for the connotation, there it is.

Incidentally, anyone read the rumours of a 7th Star Wars movie?  (rumour is that it'd be set 100 years before Ep.1 and focus on everyones favourite muppet o' doom.... probably complete bollocks, of course).

[Sandwich]

If it's by Lucas, I hope not. If it's by Spielberg, or some other director who's not clinging to the "Let's put this in cuz it's cool!" mentality Lucas seems to have used when making the prequel trilogy, then by all means, go for it.

[Corsair]

I was just watching a bit of ANH with my brother (starting from the trash compactor scene and ending with the start of the Obi Wan-Vader duel) and I'd just like to say that I think ROTS, while I enjoyed it, does not even come close to capturing the magical feeling that the original trilogy evokes.

[Sandwich]

It's a matter of script/acting... I never felt that any of the people in the new trilogy had any of the quirks that make us real, quirks that were found in abundance in the original trilogy. Ironically, Anakin was the one who came the closest to having personality "issues", but his issues were sooo over-scripted and so central to the story that they didn't seem like they were personal.

[NeoHunter]

Overall, the film leaves you with a sense of sadness. A hero succumbing to the dark side because he is unwilling to let go. Too attached.

[Knight Templar]

I was sad because it sucked.

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by mister J
hi, loooong time lurker, long time FS player (back to the old FS1 multiplayer days, even)

anyway, regarding the WAR! thing, when I first saw it I was reminded of this:

clicky

Perhaps GL was trying to reference that... the SW movies do get their inspiration from stuff from the 40's and 50's... serials and whatnot.

The original is normally considered to be closer to Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress than to 40s and 50s SF serials.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Sandwich
It's a matter of script/acting... I never felt that any of the people in the new trilogy had any of the quirks that make us real, quirks that were found in abundance in the original trilogy. Ironically, Anakin was the one who came the closest to having personality "issues", but his issues were sooo over-scripted and so central to the story that they didn't seem like they were personal.

Overproduced, perhaps.

I have not seen ROTS yet, however (going Sunday; it's cheaper ), so I have to reserve judgement on that one....