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Offline SadisticSid

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Reply #20 on: June 24, 2005, 08:01:02 am
Kal, it's become progressively more difficult for smaller developers to compete graphically with things like AoE3 on the horizon. In any case graphics have never meant anything to me for RTS games, which is why I still love TA, Warzone 2100 and even the older C&C series. TA had a very grandiose scale (which was easily managed from a superb UI) on the battlefield compared with newer efforts like Warcraft III, and that's what I'll always like about them.

Of course if you're just talking about the graphics, then they aren't as good as other offerings, no. :p
 

Offline Flaser

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Reply #21 on: June 24, 2005, 08:21:06 am
TA was the first true tactical real-time strategy game.
It had true line of sight, and elevation *did* matter.

The later can't be said about the C&C series - which *did* invent the de-facto interface -, and Starcraft / WC3 is all about micromaged special units. (Which is nice, but isn't all that tactical/strategic. It's more like chess than wargame).

The 2150 series (you can get the last of the trilogy at HOTU) brought a number of nice innovations into the picture.
...though I haven't played Warzone so I can't speak about that.
"I was going to become a speed dealer. If one stupid fairytale turns out to be total nonsense, what does the young man do? If you answered, “Wake up and face reality,” you don’t remember what it was like being a young man. You just go to the next entry in the catalogue of lies you can use to destroy your life." - John Dolan
 

Offline Gapie

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Reply #22 on: June 24, 2005, 12:47:18 pm
Did most people in this thread even play starcraft?
Starcraft not tactical and strategical? *start smilies* :wtf: :eek2: :shaking: :nervous: :confused: *stop smilies* True, Starcraft is a lot of micromanagement (especially in the beginning of a 1v1 online :D ) but after that forget the micro and start macroing. A good player will outmine another using "Tactics" to kick another players expansion or so. *Following: a whole load of blablablabla* on topic.

TA owned! The AI was crappy tho.. (most ppl said that, i had difficult beating it cos i only played camps)

Hope AI will be bettter :)
 

Offline Flaser

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Reply #23 on: June 24, 2005, 01:33:27 pm
TA was also very MOD-able.
BTW you can install some AI-s that give a run for your money.
"I was going to become a speed dealer. If one stupid fairytale turns out to be total nonsense, what does the young man do? If you answered, “Wake up and face reality,” you don’t remember what it was like being a young man. You just go to the next entry in the catalogue of lies you can use to destroy your life." - John Dolan
  

Offline Flaser

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Reply #24 on: June 24, 2005, 01:34:29 pm
TA was also very MOD-able.
BTW you can install some AI-s that give a run for your money.
"I was going to become a speed dealer. If one stupid fairytale turns out to be total nonsense, what does the young man do? If you answered, “Wake up and face reality,” you don’t remember what it was like being a young man. You just go to the next entry in the catalogue of lies you can use to destroy your life." - John Dolan
 

Offline Gapie

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Reply #25 on: June 24, 2005, 02:10:13 pm
I did actually. It always managed to kick my ass if i didnt see the whole map (Queller AI, the best around problably). TA is indeed quite MOD-able, ever seen the Star Wars TA conversion? quite fun to play :) And of course, there were tons of 3rd party unists around. I even managed to build a few crappy ones on my own, wasnt hard at all.
 

Offline Sandwich

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Reply #26 on: June 24, 2005, 02:16:00 pm
TA's why I started messing around with Rhino 3D, which led to a number of my early FS models that have never seen completion. :p
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Offline Grug

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Reply #27 on: June 26, 2005, 07:16:55 am
Awsome. :yes:
TA was fun because of the pure RTS elements in it, you could hold massive battles between hundreds of tiny units and battle over a few hundred meters of ground over and over.

It may not look cutting edge graphics but hopefully it lives up to the original fun. :)

THQ puts doubts in my mind however...
 

Offline Hollewanderer

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Reply #28 on: June 26, 2005, 05:59:19 pm
Quote
Originally posted by SadisticSid
Personally I hope the non-rock/paper/scissors balance will be left in, and that tactics and not just unit type will determine the success of individual battles. Hopefully most individual units won't need micromanaging with 'special abilities' (a la Starcraft) either... although it'd be cool to have heroes with them in there.


I saw the entire article scanned in high resolution. Chris Taylor is quoted saying "f*** rock/paper/scissors", in pretty much those exact words.:D
I'm personally eager to see the superunits. Battleships that take two normal RTS screens and destroyers that can move out on the land... mmmmmmmm. The transport gunship does not sate my hunger for UNLIMITED POWER!
*pushes a button and unleashes screaming nuclear doom on enemy armies*
Mwhahaha! This game is going to rock, and not because of fancy graphics, but because of sheer content. [and the screenies you see don't even show the strategy portion of the game... though to be fair, it is only discussed in the rest of article]

And what is the problem with THQ, Grug? They did a fine job regarding Dawn of War, another cool RTS.
 

Offline Krackers87

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Reply #29 on: June 26, 2005, 07:15:15 pm
The pics look 2d from my scanner, it really sucks. I'll post some real screeenies when i can get my hands on them.
Put this in your profile if you know someone who is fighting, has survived, or has died from an awp no scope.

just like seventies goofballs
he's waiting on last calls
well listen method man
'cause if you leave on the last line
don't leave on the ground kind
born just a little too slow
 

Offline Grug

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Reply #30 on: June 26, 2005, 09:05:28 pm
THQ = Red Faction, that memory still burns in my mind... :doubt:

DoW was ok I guess. I just hope this one doesn't suffer too badly from publisher syndrome...

Good find though Krackers, any mention of a release date?
 

Offline Krackers87

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Reply #31 on: July 09, 2005, 10:14:01 pm
August 2006

way too damn long.
Put this in your profile if you know someone who is fighting, has survived, or has died from an awp no scope.

just like seventies goofballs
he's waiting on last calls
well listen method man
'cause if you leave on the last line
don't leave on the ground kind
born just a little too slow
 

Offline Sandwich

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Reply #32 on: July 10, 2005, 01:55:49 am
SERIOUSLY...! | {The Sandvich Bar} - Rhino-FS2 Tutorial | CapShip Turret Upgrade | The Complete FS2 Ship List | System Background Package

"...The quintessential quality of our age is that of dreams coming true. Just think of it. For centuries we have dreamt of flying; recently we made that come true: we have always hankered for speed; now we have speeds greater than we can stand: we wanted to speak to far parts of the Earth; we can: we wanted to explore the sea bottom; we have: and so  on, and so on: and, too, we wanted the power to smash our enemies utterly; we have it. If we had truly wanted peace, we should have had that as well. But true peace has never been one of the genuine dreams - we have got little further than preaching against war in order to appease our consciences. The truly wishful dreams, the many-minded dreams are now irresistible - they become facts." - 'The Outward Urge' by John Wyndham

"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

Offline FireCrack

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Reply #33 on: July 10, 2005, 02:01:46 am
Read all the gamespy articles, this is awesome!

The only real qualm i have at the moment is that the explosions dont have a nice bright glow around them.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2005, 02:04:08 am by 2073 »
actualy, mabye not.
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3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944 59230781640628620899862803482534211706...
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Offline Grug

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Reply #34 on: July 10, 2005, 04:15:03 am
I'm worried how they're going to pull off such large scale battles with physics in multiplayer. The lag would be horrendous...
 

Offline Knight Templar

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Reply #35 on: July 10, 2005, 04:28:57 pm
I still play TA. Can't wait! :D
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Offline Krackers87

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Reply #36 on: July 11, 2005, 01:37:09 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Sandwich
http://archive.gamespy.com/landing/supremecom/


*creams pants*
Put this in your profile if you know someone who is fighting, has survived, or has died from an awp no scope.

just like seventies goofballs
he's waiting on last calls
well listen method man
'cause if you leave on the last line
don't leave on the ground kind
born just a little too slow
 

Offline FireCrack

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Reply #37 on: July 11, 2005, 01:47:21 pm
Ewww.....
actualy, mabye not.
"When ink and pen in hands of men Inscribe your form, bipedal P They draw an altar on which God has slaughtered all stability, no eyes could ever soak in all the places you anoint, and yet to see you all at once we only need the point. Flirting with infinity, your geometric progeny that fit inside you oh so tight with triangles that feel so right."
3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944 59230781640628620899862803482534211706...
"Your ever-constant homily says flaw is discipline, the patron saint of imperfection frees us from our sin. And if our transcendental lift shall find a final floor, then Man will know the death of God where wonder was before."
 

Offline Grug

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Reply #38 on: July 11, 2005, 02:23:36 pm
I was inspired to play TA again. But couldn't find my disks. :(

They stopped making the old one too... :(
 

Offline General Freak

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Reply #39 on: July 11, 2005, 03:12:12 pm
'As Chris Taylor puts it, "you can't just build in Moscow and click on Paris." Air units and even certain naval units can traverse the massive Supreme Commander maps quickly, but the biggest guns that you can produce in bulk will have to travel across the land. So the question becomes: how to get them there?'

Er...I thought that, real-life historically speaking, the biggest guns belonged to the battleships, the largest bombs belong to the aircraft, that sea travel was the slowest and that armies have moved across whole continents in just days, weeks and months if on foot? (German Barbarossa campaign, Mao's 'Great March', Soviet counter-attack in late 1941-early 1942).

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