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Offline Kamikaze

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Funny Release Plan for Xbox 360, Take 2.
http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/nid/1283/

Important bits:

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Speaking in the September issue of the US gaming magazine Game Informer, Allard has said that they are not ready to announce the variations of the Xbox 360 console, but it will not be a one size fits all situation.


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"It's something we're not ready to announce yet," he said. "I don't think it's a one-size-fits-all [approach] over the next five-year horizon."


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"We've said [to developers], 'Hey look, don't bank on the hard drive always being there,'" he revealed. "'There may be a scenario in the future where we don't want to have a hard drive, and in that case, we have to make sure that the games that you've created are accessible to the broadest possible audience.'"


I guess they didn't learn from the PS2's oh-so-successful harddrive feature?
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Offline kode

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Funny Release Plan for Xbox 360, Take 2.
smells like a failure waiting to happen. I think that a big part in the success of the xbox was the hard drive.

and the modding...
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Funny Release Plan for Xbox 360, Take 2.
The only reason M$ would want to remove the hard drive for is so they can cash in on selling tiny memory cards to people at obscene prices. It costs them f*ck all to put them in after all.

 

Offline Col. Fishguts

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Maybe they don't want people putting Linux on their Xboxes. So they leave out the HDD, forcing people to use some proprietary memory system.
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Offline aldo_14

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Cost cutting, possibly.  I would be more worried by MS' decision to force 3rd party peripheral (joypad, memory cards, etc) manufacturers to pay a licensing fee that'll inevitably drive up the prices (including official stuff; why charge less when the competitions' been handicapped?).

 

Offline Mefustae

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Looks like this could really benefit the PS3 and Revolution, which is really great for the Revolution, because the PS3 is fecking rank!!

 

Offline Deepblue

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Funny Release Plan for Xbox 360, Take 2.
:smacks head:

Don't people feel stupid???

Even with the HD the production costs are low enough that Microsoft can undercut the price of the PS3.

Only a few games on the original Xbox took advantage of the HD as a tool for reducing loading times, etc (like Halo). Most games simply used it to store saved games/custom sound tracks.

The only time the console would be without the HD would be if someone feels the inclination to take it over to a friends house instead of lugging around the whole system to share some save games or perhaps games on the HD.

:smacks head:

Hanging around the Gamespot forums is bad for ones health... I never thought it would make it to HLP.

I have a new idea, how about we not speculate about features as an as of yet unreleased console and maybe focus on things that are currently more interesting? Like F.E.A.R.

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I would be more worried by MS' decision to force 3rd party peripheral (joypad, memory cards, etc) manufacturers to pay a licensing fee that'll inevitably drive up the prices (including official stuff; why charge less when the competitions' been handicapped?).


I doubt it will drive up prices considering that peripherals are already sold for a LOT more than the production value. Xbox contollers at the Msoft Company store sell for about 75% of the usual price. In addition all new games there sell for 25$ rather than 50$. Plus I think that this will increase the quality of peripherals. I'm tired of seeing so much crap out there...
« Last Edit: August 16, 2005, 11:45:27 am by 944 »

 

Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Deepblue
:smacks head:

Don't people feel stupid???

Even with the HD the production costs are low enough that Microsoft can undercut the price of the PS3.

Only a few games on the original Xbox took advantage of the HD as a tool for reducing loading times, etc (like Halo). Most games simply used it to store saved games/custom sound tracks.

The only time the console would be without the HD would be if someone feels the inclination to take it over to a friends house instead of lugging around the whole system to share some save games or perhaps games on the HD.

:smacks head:

Hanging around the Gamespot forums is bad for ones health... I never thought it would make it to HLP.

I have a new idea, how about we not speculate about features as an as of yet unreleased console and maybe focus on things that are currently more interesting? Like F.E.A.R.


Why?  Because you don't like people saying anything negative about your favourite unreleased console?  I mean, you do tend to post positive Xbox360 PR whever the tiniest opportunity arises.

Or do you mean the Xbox360 isn't interesting to people?  Must not be that good then.

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Originally posted by Deepblue
:smacks head:
I doubt it will drive up prices considering that peripherals are already sold for a LOT more than the production value. Xbox contollers at the Msoft Company store sell for about 75% of the usual price. In addition all new games there sell for 25$ rather than 50$. Plus I think that this will increase the quality of peripherals. I'm tired of seeing so much crap out there...


Competition controls prices through what is called 'competitive pricing'.  Licensing increases overheads of competitive peripherals, increasing their cost.  Thus, Microsoft can either justify raising their own prices (as manufacturer label controllers tend to always be more expensive, if higher quality, than the 3rd party), or alternatively force competition out and pave the way for later price rises as the result of that monopolisation.

AFAIK the MS company store is only open to US employees (which I presume must include you, then?  Very neutral), so frankly I doubt the man in the street gives a flying **** about the prices there.  Employee discount isn't really an argument for seeing generally reduced prices, after all; more a perk of the job to increase employee loyalty (After all, MS wouldn't want employees buying competitor stuff).

Given that MS will be losing money on the Xbox360 regardless of pricepoint (de riguer for all consoles on release), they'll want to maximise profits on peripherals, not reduce them.

Remember, developers used to have to ask nintendo for approval of their games (the famous 'seal of quality'); even then you ended up with a lot of ****e.  Licensing is simply a revenue stream.

 

Offline Kamikaze

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Originally posted by Deepblue

I have a new idea, how about we not speculate about features as an as of yet unreleased console and maybe focus on things that are currently more interesting?


:rolleyes: Don't you feel kinda silly saying that?
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Originally posted by Deepblue
:smacks head:
 


yes... keep smacking it.
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Offline aldo_14

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Funny Release Plan for Xbox 360, Take 2.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4160076.stm

HD version; £279
Non-HD; £209

Confusticate the consumer, indeed.

EDIT;
http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=37020&subsectionid=1586

US;
HD; $399
Non HD; $299

Pricey.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2005, 09:33:07 am by 181 »

 

Offline Martinus

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[color=66ff00]For 279 quid I could significantly upgrade my PC.

What's a good 80 gig HDD cost now? £35-ish if I remember correctly.

Doesn't look worth the cash to me, I'm assuming all the parents will simply go along at chrimbo and buy the cheaper one unless MS make the seperation very clear i.e. xbox and xbox xtreme or something like that.
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Offline aldo_14

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Well, to be fair it's not just an HD in the more expensive thing, it's some other guff (which they'll no doubt try and sell to the user of the cheaper version at extortionate prices) too.

Of course, they're never worth the price at launch date.  Just wait until all 3 have been out for a few months, and who gives a **** how much the inevitable price cuts cost MS, Sony or Nintendo.  Anyone who's really desperate enough to pay full (over) price for anything, knowing they'll be price lowering competition just round the corner, deserves to be ripped off IMO.

 

Offline Deepblue

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That was stupid... Really stupid...

I think I'll play the waiting game.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]For 279 quid I could significantly upgrade my PC.

What's a good 80 gig HDD cost now? £35-ish if I remember correctly.

Doesn't look worth the cash to me, I'm assuming all the parents will simply go along at chrimbo and buy the cheaper one unless MS make the seperation very clear i.e. xbox and xbox xtreme or something like that.
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Of course, would xbox 360 xtreme not simply be the most cringworthingly awful 'sk8rboi' name ever?   It's be like the disco vicar of consoles.

 

Offline Roanoke

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Wonder if this will be the swan song for Nintendo as a console manufacturer......

 

Offline aldo_14

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I think Ninty will do quite well, seeing as their avoiding the 18-30 males pissing match of Sony and MS.  Plus they're still the only console manufacturer making a profit IIRC.

  

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I think they are dip****s for not haveing a HD. The PS3 is going to kick everyones ass..
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Offline aldo_14

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:rolleyes:

Now, what were we saying about fanboyism earlier?

 

Offline Charismatic

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I donno, didnt read that far :P
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