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Offline Kamikaze

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The following was stolen from this website: http://abstractfactory.blogspot.com/2005/10/only-debate-on-intelligent-design-that.html

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Moderator: We're here today to debate the hot new topic, evolution versus Intelligent Des---

(Scientist pulls out baseball bat.)

Moderator: Hey, what are you doing?

(Scientist breaks Intelligent Design advocate's kneecap.)

Intelligent Design advocate: YEAAARRRRGGGHHHH! YOU BROKE MY KNEECAP!

Scientist: Perhaps it only appears that I broke your kneecap. Certainly, all the evidence points to the hypothesis I broke your kneecap. For example, your kneecap is broken; it appears to be a fresh wound; and I am holding a baseball bat, which is spattered with your blood. However, a mere preponderance of evidence doesn't mean anything. Perhaps your kneecap was designed that way. Certainly, there are some features of the current situation that are inexplicable according to the "naturalistic" explanation you have just advanced, such as the exact contours of the excruciating pain that you are experiencing right now.

Intelligent Design advocate: AAAAH! THE PAIN!

Scientist: Frankly, I personally find it completely implausible that the random actions of a scientist such as myself could cause pain of this particular kind. I have no precise explanation for why I find this hypothesis implausible --- it just is. Your knee must have been designed that way!

Intelligent Design advocate: YOU BASTARD! YOU KNOW YOU DID IT!

Scientist: I surely do not. How can we know anything for certain? Frankly, I think we should expose people to all points of view. Furthermore, you should really re-examine whether your hypothesis is scientific at all: the breaking of your kneecap happened in the past, so we can't rewind and run it over again, like a laboratory experiment. Even if we could, it wouldn't prove that I broke your kneecap the previous time. Plus, let's not even get into the fact that the entire universe might have just popped into existence right before I said this sentence, with all the evidence of my alleged kneecap-breaking already pre-formed.

Intelligent Design advocate: That's a load of bull**** sophistry! Get me a doctor and a lawyer, not necessarily in that order, and we'll see how that plays in court!

Scientist (turning to audience): And so we see, ladies and gentlemen, when push comes to shove, advocates of Intelligent Design do not actually believe any of the arguments that they profess to believe. When it comes to matters that hit home, they prefer evidence, the scientific method, testable hypotheses, and naturalistic explanations. In fact, they strongly privilege naturalistic explanations over supernatural hocus-pocus or metaphysical wankery. It is only within the reality-distortion field of their ideological crusade that they give credence to the flimsy, ridiculous arguments which we so commonly see on display. I must confess, it kind of felt good, for once, to be the one spouting free-form bull****; it's so terribly easy and relaxing, compared to marshaling rigorous arguments backed up by empirical evidence. But I fear that if I were to continue, then it would be habit-forming, and bad for my soul. Therefore, I bid you adieu.


Another interesting link: http://polymathematics.typepad.com/polymath/2005/10/post.html
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Neat :yes:
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This is all kinds of awesome.
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:lol:

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:lol:

Oh, and this is henceforth to be known as my Phrase Of The Day
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Wll, the thread was interesting, as were the many comments. the guys reasoning isn't perfect, but it's good.

While I never consider ID a science, I do belive in it, in a more rational and limited way...

*runs*
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Very nicely written.

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It's both violent AND well thought out. Me likes...:D

 

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While I never consider ID a science, I do belive in it, in a more rational and limited way...


You're a catholic right?
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dun assume someone's a catholic just cos they believe in intelligent designer/s, that's religionist.
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I'm assuming he's catholic cause he's croatian and the majority of croats are catholic.

And I've a reason for asking.
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:lol: Thank God He's not a scientist. :p
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Originally posted by icespeed
dun assume someone's a catholic just cos they believe in intelligent designer/s, that's religionist.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/05/creation_evolution/

Would be the point kara is about to make.

dun-dun-dun!

 

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That's what makes me wonder. If God is indeed all-powerful, why couldn't he have set things in motion billions of years ago? If you read the bible literally, after all, you're going to have a hard time believing in it at all, so I don't see a big problem with assuming that the whole creation deal is symbolic rather than literal, so that He wouldn't have to write a study guide for the bible to explain what "DNA" and "bacteria" are to early man.

'sides, God doesn't seem to be too big on the instant gratification thing either.
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Originally posted by karajorma
I'm assuming he's catholic cause he's croatian and the majority of croats are catholic.

And I've a reason for asking.


A huge majority actually...but yes, I am catholic.

I do belive in evolution, but in a way, if God created everything in the universe, including the physical and biological laws, then we were, in a way, designed....
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
That's what makes me wonder. If God is indeed all-powerful, why couldn't he have set things in motion billions of years ago? If you read the bible literally, after all, you're going to have a hard time believing in it at all, so I don't see a big problem with assuming that the whole creation deal is symbolic rather than literal, so that He wouldn't have to write a study guide for the bible to explain what "DNA" and "bacteria" are to early man.

'sides, God doesn't seem to be too big on the instant gratification thing either.


The nature of God (any form of diety/dieties) is such to preclude any possibility of disproof, anyways. (and proof, of course)

It's always been structured that way, so any sort of 'conflicting' scientific discovery can just be said to push back where God 'is'.  Like....if they proved abiogenesis, then God would simply be pushed back to the big bang, etc, or abstracted as being the fundamental laws of physics, and soforth.

The main conflict over the likes of evolution is really down to Bible literalism, I think.  It's also a response to the belief of certain more militant Christians that secularism and modern society is in some way immoral; largely, I guess, because the church wields less power over individuals now.  

The problem these people have in particular with science is that it explains things working without God, or rather without the sort of God they've been espousing for all these years; they're basically unable to accept their particular interpretation is wrong.  Science has, after all, never sought to address the existence of God, but simply to explain the world in terms of what we can see and prove to be true.

And on a side note, why do I end up posting these types of posts when really everyone knows this already.........?

 

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Originally posted by aldo_14


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/05/creation_evolution/

Would be the point kara is about to make.

dun-dun-dun!


There you go stealing my thunder again :p

But yes that was the point I was angling towards.

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I do belive in evolution, but in a way, if God created everything in the universe, including the physical and biological laws, then we were, in a way, designed....


Then I presume from now on you'll be arguing for evolution next time one of the evolution vs creationism threads comes up or staying silent right?
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