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Offline aldo_14

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Use Google? The USGov wants you('re records)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/19/feds_subpoena_google_search_records/

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The US Department of Justice has taken Google to court, demanding it hand over all searches made in a one week period. It's a fishing expedition, unconnected with any ongoing criminal prosecution. The DOJ wants the information to back up its attempt to revive an anti-pornography law derailed by the Supreme Court two years ago.

The subpoena was issued last year, and Google refused the request - but we only learn of the case week, via a San Jose Mercury News report. The DoJ has now ordered a Federal Judge to force Google to comply.

It's a step too far even for a company with a fast and loose attitude to privacy.

"Google is not a party to this lawsuit, and the demand for the information is overreaching,'' Google counsel Nicola Wong told the Merc.

Google sets its cookies to expire in 2038, and launched products and services which make that cookie personally identifiable with a user, such as GMail, and a "personalized" search page.

"We are moving to a Google that knows more about you," Google CEO Eric Schmidt promised last year.

If, as looks likely, the DoJ succeeds, then surfers worldwide will have a US Attorney General who knows a lot more about you, too.

I love the nice, non-political grounds for the DoJ.

EDIT; bbc story; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4630694.stm
« Last Edit: January 20, 2006, 05:44:20 am by aldo_14 »

  

Offline Mefustae

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The department wants the data to try to show in court it has the right approach in enforcing an online pornography law.
I wouldn't call ordering a company to hand over (somewhat) confidential records for basically no reason at all the "right" approach.

F*****s.

 

Offline aldo_14

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The department wants the data to try to show in court it has the right approach in enforcing an online pornography law.
I wouldn't call ordering a company to hand over (somewhat) confidential records for basically no reason at all the "right" approach.

F*****s.

I'm not sure what value it would have beyond advocating government censorship, anyways - what could it show beyond that some people access porn on the internet (the shock!)? Unless they plan on using that data to track down the identities, locations, etc of people (which would be a massive breach of privacy for everyone else, as they'd presumably have to data-mine access records for a number of sites etc to try and cross-match).   Perhaps they want to follow the Chinese approach and place regulations upon the likes of search engines and ISPs (essentially, the Chinese approach is to force self-censorship upon the likes of those groups, and internet cafe owners, etc through punishment as well as the great firewall- thus meaning the state itself is spared from the task of monitoring millions of sites itself).

And this is from the country that controls the internet.

EDIT; based on this http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903331_2.html, they want this basically to prove that people can access porn via search engines (no ****, sherlock); possibly with the intention of proving that having the DoJ watching you is better than filtering software or somesuch.  What a stupid excuse for such a massive precedent in harming privacy.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2006, 06:08:26 am by aldo_14 »

 

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I think they are hiding their real reasons behind this.
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Re: Use Google? The USGov wants you('re records)
They probably want to use this to track down illegal forms of pornography. Still a horrible idea, though.
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Oh noes! they'll find out I was looking for Covvie Elite porn! :shaking:






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Offline Goober5000

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Re: Use Google? The USGov wants you('re records)
It's worth noting that MSN and Yahoo turned over their records without a fight.  At least Google is making noise about it.

 

Offline aldo_14

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It's worth noting that MSN and Yahoo turned over their records without a fight.  At least Google is making noise about it.

Not surprising for Yahoo; they turned over a Chinese bloggers' name and address to the Chinese government, so he could be imprisoned for dissent, so this is relatively tame for them.  And MS probably have some lucrative contracts to bid for.

 

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Re: Use Google? The USGov wants you('re records)
Who cares as long as the cash stays in the pocket.

I love not being in America :)

 

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Not surprising for Yahoo; they turned over a Chinese bloggers' name and address to the Chinese government, so he could be imprisoned for dissent, so this is relatively tame for them.

Unless it's something to do with Nazi memorabilia Yahoo really don't give a stuff about free speech.
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I love not being in America :)
And we love you not being here too.
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Re: Use Google? The USGov wants you('re records)
I can't do it, I just can't do it.

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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Wow. Go Google.
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Offline aldo_14

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I love not being in America :)
And we love you not being here too.

I love you not being here, too.

 

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Re: Use Google? The USGov wants you('re records)
Oh noes! they'll find out I was looking for Covvie Elite porn! :shaking:

Please tell me that doesn't actually exist.
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Re: Use Google? The USGov wants you('re records)
It's worth noting that MSN and Yahoo turned over their records without a fight. At least Google is making noise about it.

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6028701.html?tag=nl.e540

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Oh noes! they'll find out I was looking for Covvie Elite porn! :shaking:

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Offline Deepblue

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It's a bloody epidemic!

 

Offline aldo_14

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Re: Use Google? The USGov wants you('re records)
**** Bush and Dick (Cheney).

Do you have any idea how many red flags that'll send up at the Department of Homeland Morality?