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Offline Ulala

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PS3 it is then. I already know guys who want to camp out for it so they can buy two each, one for themselves, one for profit.  ;)
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Re: Seattlepi.com: Wii Nov 19th and $250
Ok, I thought the death-blow to the PS3 is its absurd price. Who has $1200 to just throw around on two such systems? :confused:
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Well, the price is now down 20% on the 20 GB system.
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Offline Ulala

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Basically the way I hope it goes down is I make a $600 investment on a PS3 the day it comes out (this will include camping out in line I imagine), then immediately after purchase I jump onto my laptop, find some wireless internet, and post it on eBay, hopefully selling it for $850+, then my $250 profit can buy me a Wii.  :p  It probably won't happen though, because I'm pretty lazy when it comes to waiting in lines.
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Offline aldo_14

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Adds Wii to Christmas list. 

Very carefull to spell 'Wii' correctly

 

Offline Deepblue

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Well, the price is now down 20% on the 20 GB system.

In Japan only.

 

Offline Ulala

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Well, the price is now down 20% on the 20 GB system.

In Japan only.

In America and Europe, it's still far less expensive than the PS3 or 360.   :nod:
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Re: Seattlepi.com: Wii Nov 19th and $250
Well, the price is now down 20% on the 20 GB system.

In Japan only.

In America and Europe, it's still far less expensive than the PS3 or 360.   :nod:

Me and Deepblue were discussing the PS3 actually, but yes.
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Offline Deepblue

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Technically the Wii is only $50 cheaper than the X360...

 

Offline Ulala

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Right, because everyone should buy the "core system" only or whatever.
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Offline Ulala

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Well, the price is now down 20% on the 20 GB system.

In Japan only.

In America and Europe, it's still far less expensive than the PS3 or 360.   :nod:

Me and Deepblue were discussing the PS3 actually, but yes.

Oh, my bad. I got confused after reading some article that said the Wii price in Japan = only about $220 here and in Europe. I thought you were referring to that, my bad!  :o
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Offline Deepblue

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But compared to the functionality of the wii, it's a fine deal.

 

Offline Ulala

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Why? Because the Wii doesn't have as much horsepower? There's more to take into account when buying consoles (and cars too!) than horsepower in my opinion.
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Offline aldo_14

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Why? Because the Wii doesn't have as much horsepower? There's more to take into account when buying consoles (and cars too!) than horsepower in my opinion.

Like games.......also, IIRC the Wii contains a free game (Wii Sports, which i'm classing as such as apparently it's being sold seperately in Japan), has free internet play and includes onboard memory as standard, and - combined with a radically different approach to what constitutes next-gen - means it isn't a fair like-for-like comparison.  The 360 core is a hobbled graphics box; the Wii is something more ambitious IMO (I'd hesistate to suggest the term 'gameplay box' in that it's trying to advance the actual playing aspect; something I appreciate by dint of having tried out the awful IMO 360 pad and knowing the faults of the Dualshock design reused in the PS3).

 

Offline Deepblue

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The 360 includes a free game of far more value (Hexic, yes, that is something you will play far longer than "Wii sports"). The internet is only free for a few months, and obviously is not necessary as you are already posting on the interenet. The controller is merely a input method, and does not make the games any better or worse.

Wait, awful 360 pad? The only problem is the d-pad. Maybe it's just your preference, but the greater concensus seems to be that the 360 pad is the best traditional controller yet.

I still feel like the wii is merely a gamecube peripheral. Everything they are doing could be done with the gamecube or a modded xbox, so why is it considered a next-gen console?

 

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The 360 includes a free game of far more value (Hexic, yes, that is something you will play far longer than "Wii sports").

Are you taking the piss here?  Seriously.  Hexic, as in the glorified flash game?  I note the completely unsupported assertion it is better than Wii sports, something that rather flies in the face of every preview of said sports game I've read (including the strong critical regard for Hexic).  Hexic is not really any different than packaging Tetris SNES on the Wii would be.  Plus, and rather more crucially, the $300 core system does not include Hexic, as it is sans hard drive.  So, again, not a fair comparison.

The internet is only free for a few months, and obviously is not necessary as you are already posting on the interenet. The controller is merely a input method, and does not make the games any better or worse.

I request the honourable gentleman actually reads my post next time;
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Wait, awful 360 pad? The only problem is the d-pad. Maybe it's just your preference, but the greater concensus seems to be that the 360 pad is the best traditional controller yet.

I found it horribly twitchy and the position of all the various bodgins uncomfortable.  Yes, my preference (how shocking!  a personal opinion on the internet!), but I found it hideously awful to use.  To be fair, this was playing the utter ga****y of Perfect Dark, so perhaps it's better for other games.

I still feel like the wii is merely a gamecube peripheral. Everything they are doing could be done with the gamecube or a modded xbox, so why is it considered a next-gen console?

Because 'next gen' does not - or should not -  equate to simply adding shiny sheen graphics.  The 360 and PS3 arguably don't do anything that can't be done with the current gen either, all they actually add is polygons to the same basic gameplay. 

To redress to the earlier comment ala controller; firstly, controller input has a vastly important role in game quality.  Try getting a ****tier PS2 or Xbox peripheral and comparing it to the 1st party.  And that's a relatively trivial difference; as the controller is the players key input method, it has a crucial role in actual enjoyment - it's quite largely why I picked the older PS2 over an Xbox (even though the PS2 controller itself is pretty crap IMO). 

Secondly, the importance of the Wii controller is that it allows - and places an impetus upon - new gameplay methods.  Even EA has to innovate to make games that sell for the system - it's a step above how the DS touchscreen impacted the DS' software lineup (compare the DS to PSP and the former has in general far more interesting games).

As a converse, the 360 and PS3 only offer improved graphics and some fancy physics.  There is nothing inherent to either 'next gen' console that makes games better or worse - arguably, they push towards the 'worse' end as increased asset requirement and development cost drives less ambitious 'safe bet' franchise type titles such as generic shooters and racers, and the hard drive allows reduced bug testing and a 'patch it later' release process (the Wii is as susceptible with it's own flash internal memory, but lower dev costs reduce the drive to push out quickly).

Take something like Lego Star Wars and compare 360 to Ps2, and there is no gameplay advantage, no improvement - nothing that really justifies the £15 increase beyond some fancy graphical effects.  But take that title, and envisage it using the Wii remote system for control, and you can see the potential for something vastly more different and unique.  This is what excites me, far more than an extra few thousand polys or specular bump mapped ray traced nipples (which I can get on PC if I really wish anyways).

 

Offline Ulala

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The internet is only free for a few months, and obviously is not necessary as you are already posting on the interenet.

From what I understand of the article that addresses this, the internet on the Wii is free. However, to get the Opera browser for free, you must buy it before June of 2007. After that, you have to buy it seperately. A clarification after the article stated that it was a one time buy thing, not a monthly thing. So, buy your Wii before 6-07 and you get the internet on it for free. I'll try to find the link and add it...

[edit] http://wii.ign.com/articles/735/735570p1.html

Unfortunately I can't find the original link that clarified that the Opera browser would be a one time buy, only after June 2007 of course. I'm hoping that's still true, and the article I posted just above seems to give that connotation...
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