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Offline Kie99

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
Bastion was on the other side of the system.  It was disabled anyway, that mission is....strange.

Yes..an by drawing the shivans attention to itself, the Collossus was buying it time. Why the Colossus was disabeld I do not know, but it could clearly jump. Normal engines (fusion drives) and jump drives are not the same..

I don't think a ship in FS has ever jumped out when disabled.

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It still had jump drives..have you seen the ani at all? It jumped and detonated INSIDE subspace...as did the Neried
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Yes, but its unknown whether it had a one shot drive installed like the Hermes, which would take up less space.

Hermes is an escape pod...who sez it has a one-shot jump drive anyway? And it's not like thaere's lack of room in an Orion..


Says in it Tech Room description.  Orion was packed with Meson Bombs, it would make sense for them to remove the engine and place a smaller one in if that was necessary to create a large enough explosion.

To clarify my position, I'm not saying there is any substantial evidence for nano-jumping being possible within the game, I'm saying there is no conclusive evidence against it, and no reason for it to be impossible.  It would also explain a few things without resorting to the "Command is stupid, lol" line of argument.
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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
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Can I adopt that for my own campaign?

Ahm, yeah, sure...

Now, about jumping out with disabled engines, what is the subspace drive supposed to do, pull the subspace vortex opening over the ship??  No, the engines push it forwards into the vortex... Unless jump drives also function as normal drives, in which case a disabled ship really wouldn't be disabled, now, would it?  *shrugs*

  

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
Or...the subspce vortext might actually pull the ship inside... Ships warping in/out go at uber-high speeds (300+ m/s).. no way their engines can push them that hard :lol:
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Offline Snail

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
Well if it sucked it in why don't other ships get sucked in when a large warphole is opened?

 

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
Becoause they don't vibrate in the same n-dimension.....

Read up on the subspace drive in the tech room:

"A jump drive causes a ship to vibrate in multiple dimensions until its modulations are in perfect synchronization with the subspace continuum. A vortex opens, creating an aperture from an infinitesimally small point in the cosmos, enabling the vessel to cross the subspace threshold."
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Offline Snail

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
Hmm... True.

 

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
I mean, the Collie was able to jump in their Final Hour (but it didn't).

"Colossus, we're pulling you out. Engage your subspace drive."

 "Follow your orders Colossus, jump out of there now!"

The Colossus couldn't jump. It was disabled. The captain just saw a chance to be remembered as a hero by not reminding Command of that fact. :p


Simple fact though is that you shouldn't base ideas on Their Finest Hour without realising that there were some serious 11th hour hacks in that mission. The Colossus was not meant to be disabled at all in that mission as it was designed. It's not mentioned in the briefing that the Colossus is disabled nor any of the voice acting. The mission itself is strewn with waypoints and orders for the Colossus to follow them.

It seems fairly obvious that some time after the mission was voice acted :v: spotted an error in the mission and simply disabled the Colossus to get around it.
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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
You'd think they could stay up for 24 hrs and fix it... !  Just think of the overtime.

 

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
forget about such little things! I like that mission just fine. Although the nova at the end sort marked me....or rather it cought me by surprise! But still very nice very nice.
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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
It seems fairly obvious that some time after the mission was voice acted :v: spotted an error in the mission and simply disabled the Colossus to get around it.

Wouldn't it be far....cleaner.... to just remove the waypoint commands? It can also be done it 15 seconds. :wtf:
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Offline Snail

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
James Agay steps away from the computer after deleting all the waypoints. He presses Ctrl+S

"BEEP!! WAYPOINT COLOSSUS CRAP YOU MESSED UP"
"BEEP!! WAYPOINT COLOSSUS CRAP YOU MESSED UP AGAIN"
"BEEP!! WAYPOINT COLOSSUS ORDER CRAP YOU MESSED UP"
"BEEP!! WAYPOINT COLOSSUS EXISTS NOT"
"BEEP!! WAYPOINT COLOSSUS WAYPOINT DELETED"
"BEEP!! WAYPOINT COLOSSUS WAYPOINT GO GET BRAD"
"BEEP!! WAYPOINT COLOSSUS WAYPOINT TELL J. SCOTT"
"BEEP!! WAYPOINT COLOSSUS OMG YOU SUCK"
"BEEP!! WAYPOINT COLOSSUS **** YOU ORDERED"
"BEEP!! WAYPOINT COLOSSUS BGREEN TURRET09"
"BEEP!! WAYPOINT COLOSSUS **** YOU SUCK"
"BEEP!! WAYPOINT COLOSSUS OMG LOL"
"BEEP!! SHIP COLOSSUS SHOULD BE CALLED ORCUS, THIS IS NOW AN INTERNAL ERROR LOL YOUR MISSION HAS BEEN CORRUPTED."

James Agay commits suicide.

 

Offline TrashMan

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
Not deleting the waypoints you dolt - removing the AI commands!
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Offline Snail

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
James Agay deletes the event named "Colossus On Track."

"BEEP!! EVENT COLOSSUS ON TRACK DELETED CRAP YOU MESSED UP"
"BEEP!! EVENT COLOSSUS CRAP YOU MESSED UP AGAIN"
"BEEP!! EVENT COLOSSUS ORDER CRAP YOU MESSED UP"
"BEEP!! EVENT COLOSSUS EXISTS NOT"
"BEEP!! EVENT COLOSSUS EVENT DELETED"
"BEEP!! EVENT COLOSSUS EVENT GO GET BRAD"
"BEEP!! EVENT COLOSSUS EVENT TELL J. SCOTT"
"BEEP!! EVENT COLOSSUS OMG YOU SUCK"
"BEEP!! EVENT COLOSSUS **** YOU ORDERED"
"BEEP!! EVENT COLOSSUS BGREEN TURRET09"
"BEEP!! EVENT COLOSSUS **** YOU SUCK"
"BEEP!! EVENT COLOSSUS OMG LOL"
"BEEP!! SHIP COLOSSUS SHOULD BE CALLED ORCUS, THIS IS NOW AN INTERNAL ERROR LOL YOUR MISSION HAS BEEN CORRUPTED."



Seriously, what easier way is there than just lowering integrity of engines to 0?

 

Offline Kie99

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
It seems fairly obvious that some time after the mission was voice acted :v: spotted an error in the mission and simply disabled the Colossus to get around it.

Wouldn't it be far....cleaner.... to just remove the waypoint commands? It can also be done it 15 seconds. :wtf:

But then it would move over to the Node to destroy the cruisers, and be out of place for when the Sathanas jumps in.
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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
Seriously, what easier way is there than just lowering integrity of engines to 0?

I said CLEANER..and not much more difficult...it would take 10 seconds more..Oh Ye GODS! How difficullt!

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Offline Snail

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
You're out of line, Trash.

 

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
"Out of line? I don't think so! We're risking our lives out here - we deserve a straight answer!" ;7
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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
"You can discuss that at your debriefing. We now have reports that rebel vessels are heading for the node. Stand by for mission update. Command out."

 

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
"Dammit! Command let this thread de-rail from topic!"

"Why? Why would they od that?"

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Re: What the Shivans were doing at Capella... :o
what were the shivan doing at cappella? having a barbecue of course! you know how fast you can cook a steak near a star? less than a second!

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