[TrashMan]

I'm pretty sure the HTL Orion and Hecate have destroyed submodels...

[Snail]

They do. But only for the large turrets.

[akenbosch]

i believe only the HTL medusa has an insignia...

[TrashMan]

They do. But only for the large turrets.

You want them for every turret? MEh.. the small fry don't need destroyable submodels..

[Snail]

Why not?

[akenbosch]

it looks like retail-magic when the turret just disapears when you destroy it.

[TrashMan]

no more than sound in space, blowing up stars or 500m/s lasers...

In fact, the turret could be simply blown off the hull..that explains it nicely...

[Snail]

But it wouldn't leave a simple tile, would it?

[TrashMan]

depends..if a turret was attached to a hull...actually inserted in it (similar to WW2 BIG battleship turrets), then the only thing it would leave would be a perfecly cylindrical hole...and some burnmarks.

[akenbosch]

mmm hmm. that would be a destroyed submodel. a cylinder base with burnmarks.

[TrashMan]

eeeh...no...the hole would have to be part of the hull mesh...

[akenbosch]

with the destroyed submodel being the burning debris. but, since this is in space, the debris cant be burning.

[S-99]

with the destroyed submodel being the burning debris. but, since this is in space, the debris cant be burning.

When you destroy a turret, there's an explosion, and everything in the explosion gets flash fried for the duration of the explosion. There's your burn marks for you.

[Snail]

I don't think blowing off a turret would leave a perfectly clean and sparkling hull tile.

[Vasudan Admiral]

Destroyed submodels for turrets are mind bogglingly impossible to remember come conversion time. I run through a mental checklist each and every time I go to convert, but have never once managed to remember the stupid things - always have to go back and add them afterwards.
The Triton still doesn't have any. :\

BTW, for HTLed ships I'd only add those that were present in the original model. The Lucifer POF for example doesn't have any at all, so neither does the HTL one.

Oh, and it doesn't so much apply for UV mapped ships where the texture beneath the turrets has been suitably blackened. They're still good to have where appropriate though.

[TrashMan]

I only do the bigger turrets....but SOMETIMES, when I'm in a hurry I forget to add the destroyed subobjects....case in point - the Tanen and Hedetet...I don't recall putting them in

[Snail]

Well to make the HTL models even better, adding submodels for destroyed things would make them better.

I love blowing up the Hecate's Comm and Navigation systems, and its engines, it's really cool. Only problem that there's no destroyed turret submodels.

[akenbosch]

i want destroyed pilot submodels for the cockpits 

[Snail]

And have events to make the AI class of the fighter "none" when the cockpit subsystem is destroyed...

[akenbosch]

cut all things controlled by the pilot (comm, weapons, nav), and let it drift into space, maintaing whatever speed it was at when the pilot died.

maybe we should have a flag or FRED option for that feature...with the SEXps hardcoded to it. (like all ships beam-fred by default)