[karajorma]

When's the last time you analyzed a song? And is it subjective? How do you know?

Oh now that is just ridiculous. When you actually ask a proper question I'll bother to answer it.

But while you persist in claiming that opinions aren't subjective despite the fact that that is implicit in the meaning of the words opinion and subjective then you're simply not worth the effort.

[achtung]

TrashMan's just jealous because rap is more popular than metal. 

[TrashMan]

Let's jsut get one thing straight....If I understodo this right, you firmly belive that music (each genre and as a whole) has no worth of it's own, but it's only us humans that give it worth.

Thus, if no humans existed to hear music, it wouldn't be worth jack s***..

Or does music eahc has it's own value, regardless of our own views of it. Now if it has such a value, you also firmly belive that no one can guess or come to that same value?

Oh well, I won't bother anymore then.

[Scuddie]

I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

[WeatherOp]

I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

If that question was answered, HLP would die.

[KappaWing]

bunch of white boys all up in this thread



 

AWWW HEYLL NAWW!!!!

(mo'fukah)

 

[karajorma]

Let's jsut get one thing straight....If I understodo this right, you firmly belive that music (each genre and as a whole) has no worth of it's own, but it's only us humans that give it worth.

Thus, if no humans existed to hear music, it wouldn't be worth jack s***..

All art is subjective. How can it possibly have a value that is based on anything other that whether someone admires it in some way?


When you can have a computer say a piece of art is good or not using a definable algorithm then you can try telling me that it has an objective value.

[Unknown Target]

[Flipside]

Kinda looks like the 'Victims of Agincourt' yearly get-together.....

'They broke my 'ands they did sah, made sure I wouldn't be firing me bows at 'em anymore. Cut my mates fingers right orf!'

[StarSlayer]

[horrid french accent]  Silly English Longbowmen, feche la pruning shears  [/horrid french accent]

[BloodEagle]

All art is subjective. How can it possibly have a value that is based on anything other that whether someone admires it in some way?

When you can have a computer say a piece of art is good or not using a definable algorithm then you can try telling me that it has an objective value.

What about engineering?

[Unknown Target]

What about it?

[Wobble73]

Thus, if no humans existed to hear music, it wouldn't be worth jack s***..

That's like saying if a tree fell in the woods and nobody was around to hear it, would it make a sound? If no humans existed to hear music, there wouldn't be any music. Music is created by humans!

[TrashMan]

We're talking hypothesis here.

Let's just assume music exist without humans....My question it - does it have worth even if you (or no human) are not there to hear it?

[Kosh]

The big difference between this and games like Grand Theft Auto is that people actually do copy lots of things from rap. The proof? Just look around the freshman dorm in a mediocre university or your typical high school.

[Mefustae]

We're talking hypothesis here.

Let's just assume music exist without humans....My question it - does it have worth even if you (or no human) are not there to hear it?

Technically, practically any sound can be considered music just as any object can be considered art. Both terms are intrinsically human concepts, based upon the value a human being imbues upon the sound or object. Without anyone to imbue meaning upon a given sound, it remains just that; sound.

[karajorma]

Let's just assume music exist without humans....My question it - does it have worth even if you (or no human) are not there to hear it?

How would you assign a worth to a piece of music no one will ever hear? Seriously? You keep dodging the issue and asking questions back. You're the one who is claiming that music has some intrinsic worth, separate from the opinions of the listener. I've never heard anyone claim anything like that before.

The onus is on you to prove that your theory is correct.

So I ask again. How do you quantify the value of a piece of music that no one will ever hear?

[TrashMan]

Does it?

That's a totaly human-centered way of thinking...the whole universe revoles around us...Yeah, right

Do we assign to a "item" something it doesn't have or do we simply recognize (to some extent) something is allready poseses?


EDIT: I asked does it have a value (regardless of what it is, even if a unknown variable) not what it is. Obviously you cannot tell without hearing.

[Unknown Target]

Trash, you're talking but you're not actually saying anything. You just keep asking questions back and basically babbling. Answer these questions: How do you assign worth to something that no one will hear? And how does this scale of worth qualify as objective?

[Col. Fishguts]

EDIT: Replying to Trashman, not UT

The thing is that music is not an item but a concept, and a rather abstract one. Furthermore it's a human-defined concept, so what we define as music or not is up to us.

Same goes for 'value', it's a concept defined by humans, and even worse, every person subjectively defines for themself what they declare as value/values.