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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
even if the keygens do work ( most are all used up anyway) M/S has a list of all the xp codes they approve, and their validation check tool that you must install before any updates looks at the typed in code, vs the code line which contains the real code, if they don't match, you don't download anything.
Its ok though, if my next computer is made by M/S I can put this xp on that too, no matter what o/s is on it.

Well... to put it bluntly... I'm inquiring of the legal aspects of doing this.  I own a legal copy of XP Pro.  I use a pirated SP2 copy, with a keygen, and WGA crack.  Works wonders.  However, if one was to pursue this solution, you'd have to be careful to avoid the viruses etc. that are out there.

What I was asking was about the legal aspects, not if it was possible.  It most certainly is possible.  ;)
Oh you can install any operating system that M/S makes on anything you want, weather or not you bought it or downloaded it, I have a stand alone with xp pro on it that is as legal as a 3 dollar bill. I only have the computer to play the original MYST.
Keygens and validation tools work only until M/S looks at whet you have on the Hdd and make a new code line to fight it. those come in the updates you get.
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what really buggered me about vista was the piss poor copy performance. it took 2 hours to copy over 11,000 files which took up about a hundred gigs, my routine d drive backup. doing the same thing in xp64 took about 30 minutes. excuse me i bought fast hard drives so i could copy stuff fast. vista didnt even see all 4 gigs of my memory. vista crashes the mobo+cpu monitoring util. xp64 does not. the xp pro 64 is a more recent version of xp based off a server codebase. rock solid and brutally fast (or rather drywall solid and as fast a blind, paraplegic dog, in non-microsoft terms, but better than vista).

vista looks pretty and seems different but its all just white wash. they merely changed alot of the terminology of things which are the same thing in xp, but named differently in vista. take a look at the control panel or the services. all this is meant to suck in the younger os users (thats most of you) by presenting something new and fresh for their generation, while its really the same piss-poor codebase with a cool looking (though no more functional) front end.
You had copy performance?
WOW your vista worked great:) it took me 3 days to copy a movie I had on a disk to another backup disk all in mpeg 4 format

All vista is is a version ox xp, 98se and me rooled into one, a pretty memory eating paint job and broken code lines, I can make vista ultimate look just like windows 98se, just wish I could make it work as good.
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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
Doesnt Vista maximise RAM usage since it got rid of the 4mb limit in XP?  Doesnt that have some effect for gamers and video or graphic applications?

 

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Doesnt Vista maximise RAM usage since it got rid of the 4mb limit in XP?  Doesnt that have some effect for gamers and video or graphic applications?

Yes, in fact, I can only access 3.5Gb of my 4 because I use XP Pro. But, to be honest, my biggest concern about Vista is the apparent abundance of confirmation requests and hardware compatibility.

I use some pretty wierd audio cards in my computer, an E-MU 1212 in one and an Audiophile in the other, they are both specialised music recording cards, and I greatly doubt I will see Vista-friendly drivers for some time.

 

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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)

On another tangent: before your rush off to get your Windows XP Professional 64-bit Edition (which you can do for free if you own a copy of Windows XP Professional), there are number of things to keep in mind:


How?


Oh you can install any operating system that M/S makes on anything you want, weather or not you bought it or downloaded it, I have a stand alone with xp pro on it that is as legal as a 3 dollar bill. I only have the computer to play the original MYST.
Keygens and validation tools work only until M/S looks at whet you have on the Hdd and make a new code line to fight it. those come in the updates you get.

Eh, XP Corporate = no-activation, company version  (eg, what a large company with 1,000 computers would purchase).  So, as long as the keygen is good (and it is), and the WGA crack works (and it does), your golden.  M$ has thanked me up and down 'till they're blue in the face for "purchasing" "genuine" M$ products.  (Which I did, but they shouldn't be able to tell that based off of what I'm running on my comp.)  Makes me :wakka:
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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
I use some pretty wierd audio cards in my computer, an E-MU 1212 in one and an Audiophile in the other, they are both specialised music recording cards, and I greatly doubt I will see Vista-friendly drivers for some time.


hehe, me too. I use a Hammerfall 9652. I dont know if it supports Vista but I do know it doesnt support QT7, and some games, annoyingly.


 

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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
I have had 2 problems with vista. The first was Grand Theft Auto San Andreas wouldn't run, but i fixed that easily. The second was my internet kept dropping off when using the dual gigabit ethernet connections as a router for another computer. Fixed that by buying a cheap switch.

 
Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)

On another tangent: before your rush off to get your Windows XP Professional 64-bit Edition (which you can do for free if you own a copy of Windows XP Professional), there are number of things to keep in mind:


How?


Oh you can install any operating system that M/S makes on anything you want, weather or not you bought it or downloaded it, I have a stand alone with xp pro on it that is as legal as a 3 dollar bill. I only have the computer to play the original MYST.
Keygens and validation tools work only until M/S looks at whet you have on the Hdd and make a new code line to fight it. those come in the updates you get.

Eh, XP Corporate = no-activation, company version  (eg, what a large company with 1,000 computers would purchase).  So, as long as the keygen is good (and it is), and the WGA crack works (and it does), your golden.  M$ has thanked me up and down 'till they're blue in the face for "purchasing" "genuine" M$ products.  (Which I did, but they shouldn't be able to tell that based off of what I'm running on my comp.)  Makes me :wakka:
As long as your wga is working brother I say good on ya, :) I have 3 ofthem and the keygen on a disk, but the keygen is for pro, and I wanted home, so I guess the main reason  bought it is I have about as much download patience as I do for people that cut me off to make a left on red. thats why I have cable, but downloading an O/S is still beyond my level of waitingness LOL
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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
why would you want home over pro? pro is better.

Doesnt Vista maximise RAM usage since it got rid of the 4mb limit in XP?  Doesnt that have some effect for gamers and video or graphic applications?

Yes, in fact, I can only access 3.5Gb of my 4 because I use XP Pro. But, to be honest, my biggest concern about Vista is the apparent abundance of confirmation requests and hardware compatibility.

I use some pretty wierd audio cards in my computer, an E-MU 1212 in one and an Audiophile in the other, they are both specialised music recording cards, and I greatly doubt I will see Vista-friendly drivers for some time.

the vendor said id have no probem running the copy of vista 32 i was gonna buy with all 4 gigs on my system. but i could only get 3.2 gigs to work. also the 640 or whatever megs on the video card ate up that much address space. i had assumed it borrowed the server memory model (which iirc supported a theoretical 2xb max). so had no problem dropping the cash on that. boy, was i pissed off when i broke the shinkwrap, installed it and saw a number less than 4.

as far as audio cards go. ive had about the same luck under xp pro 64 as with vista 32. all creative drivers were crap. but that seems to be the state of sound cards these days. my solution, pull the card and enable the sound on the board. good thing i like my music kvlt, cause it sounds like **** :D

does anyone else hate the way vista deals with sound? one of windows actual good features since 95 has been its mixer. it was simple and to the point. but now all the sudden they thought they could improve something they did right the first time. sure the could have improved it, perhaps adding a button to toggle recording and playback, rather than go into the menu, open props and toggle a radio button. that would have been an upgrade. instead they come up with this elaborite mess from hell.

each in and out has its own damn menu, so you cant cross-compare levels, or open more than one playback or recording line at a time. also actually getting it to record anything is impossible. i wanted to fraps a video the other day and i had put a playlist into winamp, and loaded my game, set up the shot and began frapsing. pulled the perfect manuver, right on cue with right in sync with the drum intro to glorification of the black god, only to find that no sound was recorded from either source (both were enabled) if at least the damn game sound woulda recorded i coulda edited in the sound, but that was gone too. cant say if this is the really bad sound drivers or ms's bull**** idea of an interface, or perhaps its drm interference. any way its bull****.

what really buggered me about vista was the piss poor copy performance. it took 2 hours to copy over 11,000 files which took up about a hundred gigs, my routine d drive backup. doing the same thing in xp64 took about 30 minutes. excuse me i bought fast hard drives so i could copy stuff fast. vista didnt even see all 4 gigs of my memory. vista crashes the mobo+cpu monitoring util. xp64 does not. the xp pro 64 is a more recent version of xp based off a server codebase. rock solid and brutally fast (or rather drywall solid and as fast a blind, paraplegic dog, in non-microsoft terms, but better than vista).

vista looks pretty and seems different but its all just white wash. they merely changed alot of the terminology of things which are the same thing in xp, but named differently in vista. take a look at the control panel or the services. all this is meant to suck in the younger os users (thats most of you) by presenting something new and fresh for their generation, while its really the same piss-poor codebase with a cool looking (though no more functional) front end.

Vista *did* introduce a number of true and significant changes even under the hood.

The main problem though, that the majority of said changes is to facilitate the DRM scheme - in other words stuff that makes the whole thing painful for the user.

In doing so MS also broke a lot of all stuff, like the GDI (Graphics Device Interface). In other words MS once again wants to feed down their proprietary closed (...or more maliciously - vendor locked-in) stuff down your throat like they did with IE (...and look at all the "good" that one did us)!

The real pitty is, that Vista did have some novel and good security features, like its new memory protection scheme; or the sensible idea to *use* the RAM you have.

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On another tangent: before your rush off to get your Windows XP Professional 64-bit Edition (which you can do for free if you own a copy of Windows XP Professional), there are number of things to keep in mind:

  • You need an x86-64 compatible processor:
     
    • AMD
         
      • AMD Athlon 64
      • AMD Athlon 64 X2
      • AMD Athlon 64 FX
      • AMD Opteron
      • AMD Turion 64
      • AMD Turion 64 X2
      • AMD Sempron
           
    • Intel NetBurst
         
      • Intel Xeon (some models since "Nocona")
      • Intel Celeron D (some models since "Prescott")
      • Intel Pentium 4 (some models since "Prescott")
      • Intel Pentium D
      • Intel Pentium Extreme Edition
         
    • Intel Core microarchitecture
         
      • Intel Xeon (all models since "Woodcrest")
      • Intel Core 2 (Including Mobile processors since "Merom")
      • Intel Pentium Dual Core (E2140 and E2160)
      • Intel Celeron (Celeron 4x0; Celeron M 5xx)
         
     
  • You may not find the appropriate 64-bit driver for all you devices.

i found 64 bit xp drivers for everything in my case. the only really crappy drivers seem to be creative's xfi drivers, which periodically stop working for no apparent reason. but of course the vista drivers do the same thing. the card actually works better under linux. most of the top end chips, mobo chipsets, etc have 64 bit support anyway. my old computer could run a 64 bit os just the same. yes 64 bit has a number of things that must be taken into consideration. but its no more a task than refamiliarizing yourself with the current technology every time you build a new computer.
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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
Question:  Games would run faster on XP than they would on Vista, right?  But by how much?

Thing is... I'm finally getting an Intel-based Mac, so I'll obviously be able to run Windoze.  I'm completely familiar with XP... but Vista I've never touched - which is actually why I'm interested in getting Vista (I know... twisted, right?).  Word on the street is, Vista works fabulously well with mac hardware (I'm a bit skeptical but I'll let you know).  So basically, I'm wondering if -when- Vista actually works (instead of crashing and burning your computer into a painful and fiery death...) what are the speed differences between it and XP?

Another quick question: I'm totally out of the loop with DX10, but I've heard there's XP drivers out there for DX10.  But to get DX10 on XP, I'd have to have the 64-bit XP?
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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
OK, I've been running Vista 64-bit for several months now.

A. - Most of my games (and my collection is huge) run fine in vista, including Freespace SCP.

B. - One thing that helps these games run in vista is the fact that I loaded directx 9C (yeah I know vista has directx 9L (legacy) but it's not the same thing) M$ just released a new version fo directx 9c a couple of weeks ago, you can get it at downloads.microsoft.com, load it in vista to have better luck running older games.

C. - I have my system set up in a dual boot configuration with XP 32-bit and Vista 64-bit. If I can't get it to run in Vista, I just boot XP :)

Note: vista 32 bit, like all other 32 bit OSes, has the limitation to see only up to 3 gigs of memory. If you want your OS to see more that that, it has to be a 64-bit OS. There is no workaround to that.

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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
I've heard tell that the 64Bit XP can handle 4Gig+ of memory, but there's still hardware issues?

 

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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
3.2 gb :D
and the os doesnt have to be 64 bit to see more memory. 32 bit linux sees it all, as does some versions of windows server.

of course vista supports most games, thats part of the whitewash i mentioned.

my points are vista is so poor at general operating system tasks, such as copying files. its good for your average user, the kind of person who actually uses the my documents folder or has ever lost data cause they didnt back up throughly. but for your a power user, the kind of person who would run as administrator or root, and likes control over everything in the os. then vista is a bloody nightmare.
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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
I've heard tell that the 64Bit XP can handle 4Gig+ of memory, but there's still hardware issues?
3.2 gb :D

 

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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
That's a bugger :(

Yeah, I like to have a lot of flexibility in my system, I've always been an optimisation nut, I picked up the habit back on Win 95 and never really lost it, I shut down everything I'm not needing at the time (and, inevitably, Microsoft Messenger which keeps replacing itself in the startup list whenever it updates). I've even been known to shut down explorer while playing a game if it pre-loads most of the content.

It's probably overkill on a Core2Due 6600 ;)

  
Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
Nuke you have to explain to me why XP Pro is better than XP home, since after all the updates from M/S it says Windows XP on the screen, no home or pro, and besides for what I do I don't need any "extra" security from the O/S manufacturer.
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you know what, i dont have a clue. i think it has something to do with networking :D
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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
xp home can not be joined to domains, only workgroups, xp pro can be joined to domains

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Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
XP Home also has a certain service permanently activated, I forget which one... something stupid that can usually be disabled for an increase in security.

Anyways:  Hack to change XP Home setup disk to XP Pro  (I have no clue if this works, haven't tried).

Google search for finding differences between XP Home and Pro

 
Re: A way to fix Windows vista problems :)
you know what, i dont have a clue. i think it has something to do with networking :D

Yea right networking :D
If thats the only thing then I'm glad as h*** I didn't waste the extra money on pro. The only networking problems I have EVER had is when the router quit and I hit it with a rock. :)
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