[mxlm]

 So who are we to pass judgement on how they should or should not govern themselves?

...Seriously?

[el_magnifico]

There is no hell. That's why we invented jail.

That's what you think. And I respect it. And maybe you're right. Again, I'll have to wait until the end and see. Though I'd seriously prefer to have to wait a lot for that answer.

Though, even if hell exists, jail is still necessary.

[Nuke]

i'm kinda old school and like the pagan version of hell, you know where everyone gets to go regardless of how good they were, or how few evil things they did, or how well the adhered to the tenants of a specific religion, or even if they picked the correct religion. regardless of which version of hell i like, the concept seems arbitrary and is simply an established way to keep people in line (which christianity obviously undermines with its get out of hell free card). i really dont care one way or the other. just feed my corpse to the worms and let entropy do its job.

[Thaeris]

There is no hell. That's why we invented jail.

There's only one real way to find out. I simply suggest you don't try to find out with Koolaid...

[Scotty]

It'd sure take most of the hate out of the thread.

[Aardwolf]

I don't get it. 

[S-99]

GODDAMMIT!

I see what you did there.  

Taking the lords name in vain. Or am i?
I believe the people who fight in the name of god unjustly are actually the ones who took the name in vain. Example, sort of like alquaida getting recruits by using "fighting for god" as an excuse or something to get more people bombs.

EDIT: FIXED

[Aardwolf]

You mean 'vain'. Related to 'vanity'. Unrelated to 'sanity' or 'sean hannity'. Wait, I'm not so sure about that last one.

[Kosh]

I should also note that this law is widely supported by the Ugandan people.  So who are we to pass judgement on how they should or should not govern themselves?

Given that most of them give a free pass to wife beating, do you really want to say that?


Evangelical christianity has been very busy the last 30 years spreading its poison, not just in the US but in some parts of the third world. Unfortunately in those areas there is no firmly established progressive element to moderate their fundementalism, allowing them to do this type of thing where they could never get away with it in the US. Read here for more


On the flip side of the coin in the islamic world there's also growing fundementalism in the form of wahhabism. So that leaves the rest of us crushed in the middle. Interesting times.

[el_magnifico]

GODDAMMIT!

I see what you did there. 

Taking the lords name in vein. Or am i?

Oh! Keep doing it. It will be a long stay in hell, so I don't want to be alone.

[Bobboau]

full on eugenics would most likely fail at eradicating it. therefore its pointless to do anything about it

ironically if it weren't for thousands of years of civilisation forcing people with gay tendencies to have straight sex homosexuality would probly have self selected it's self out of exsistance.

[General Battuta]

I should also note that this law is widely supported by the Ugandan people.  So who are we to pass judgement on how they should or should not govern themselves?

We do that all the time, my friend. Certainly the missionaries involved did.

I don't see any particular reason this law should treat homosexuals differently than heterosexuals. Unfortunately it does.

If only there were a humane intervention method that actually worked to help places like this.  

[karajorma]

I should also note that this law is widely supported by the Ugandan people.  So who are we to pass judgement on how they should or should not govern themselves?

So I take it you are against using US money to tell the Ugandans how to govern themselves and will be writing a letter to your senator complaining about it then?

[iamzack]

full on eugenics would most likely fail at eradicating it. therefore its pointless to do anything about it

ironically if it weren't for thousands of years of civilisation forcing people with gay tendencies to have straight sex homosexuality would probly have self selected it's self out of exsistance.

doesn't that conflict with the current explanation for why it has been bred out of existence all by itself?

[Nuke]

full on eugenics would most likely fail at eradicating it. therefore its pointless to do anything about it

ironically if it weren't for thousands of years of civilisation forcing people with gay tendencies to have straight sex homosexuality would probly have self selected it's self out of exsistance.

doesn't that conflict with the current explanation for why it has been bred out of existence all by itself?

many things could cause homosexuality. my guesses would be either a combination of genetics and with an environmental or social trigger (similar to certain mental illnesses like schizophrenia), or a complex interaction of several genes. it could also be a chemical trigger or a commonly recurring mutation. it could even be something completely unrelated to genetics. i very much doubt its a single "gay gene" that causes it, because that would have been bred out. one must also consider that there were points in history where homosexuals was tolerated and was very common, as well as homosexuality observed in animals. seems like nature has had plenty of opportunities to breed it out.

[S-99]

GODDAMMIT!

I see what you did there. 

Taking the lords name in vain. Or am i?

Oh! Keep doing it. It will be a long stay in hell, so I don't want to be alone.

GODDAMNIT is hardly taking anything in vain compared to those who commit genocide claiming to be doing god's work. I've certainly GODDAMNED myself this time

[Nuke]

GODDAMMIT!

I see what you did there. 

Taking the lords name in vain. Or am i?

Oh! Keep doing it. It will be a long stay in hell, so I don't want to be alone.

GODDAMNIT is hardly taking anything in vain compared to those who commit genocide claiming to be doing god's work. I've certainly GODDAMNED myself this time

satan is my lord and id never take his name in vain goddamnit!

[Kosh]

satan is my lord and id never take his name in vain goddamnit!

Oh my Satan!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BloodEagle]

satan is my lord and id never take his name in vain goddamnit!

Oh my Satan!!!!!!!!!!!!

I demand that "Satan Worshipper" be added to your title. 

[MP-Ryan]

many things could cause homosexuality. my guesses would be either a combination of genetics and with an environmental or social trigger (similar to certain mental illnesses like schizophrenia), or a complex interaction of several genes. it could also be a chemical trigger or a commonly recurring mutation. it could even be something completely unrelated to genetics. i very much doubt its a single "gay gene" that causes it, because that would have been bred out. one must also consider that there were points in history where homosexuals was tolerated and was very common, as well as homosexuality observed in animals. seems like nature has had plenty of opportunities to breed it out.

I heard my cue! =)

The "gay gene" theory has been thoroughly debunked.  Best theories at present deal with a combination of behavioural genetics (including one or more of the three types of gene-environment interactions) and androgen/estrogen balances during early development.  Physical sex characteristics are only loosely linked to sexual attraction cues, and sexual attraction cues and gender identity are strongly tied to hormone dosage, while physical sex characteristics are entirely genetic.

There is a strong argument to be made for some sort of multi-gene recessive characteristic (with potential for an epigenetic mechanism in place) being at least partially responsible for homosexuality, because it seems to be an evolutionary trait that has development in virtually all mammals and has significant benefits for large social groups of individuals of the species.