[Bobboau]

So apparently there is a bunch of **** going down in a number of places involving systematic suppression of information about an indie developer who allegedly has been using a lovely combination of nepotism, sex, intimidation and manipulation to gain favors in the press and industry and crush anyone or any thing she doesn't like. So many different aspects of wrongness, from the straightforward corruption in the gaming press to the use of feminist ideology to try to silence people talking about it, to the apparent wide spread censoring of the information across many different communitys from reddit to tumblr to 4chan, and an apparent media blackout about it in the gaming press (possibly connected? a "conspiracy"?).

http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/2dzc7x/rgaming_mods_are_deleting_every_comment_that_is

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s4nmr1/?

the DMCAed vid reuploaded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Equc1QnQ9rw

let the streisand winds blow...

[Aesaar]

Anyone who files a DMCA claim on a legitimate, perfectly legal video criticising them instantly loses all respect and credibility in my book.

Incidentally, I'm pretty sure it's illegal.

[Bobboau]

it is, it counts as perjury basically.

[Mongoose]

My only opinion here is that I really ****ing want a Five Guys burger right now.

[Bobboau]

that seems to be a common early reaction

[Bobboau]

it looks like there are a number of chain reactions going off with this. there is a bunch of apparent moderator corruption going on in reddit, all sorts of accusations of there being admins who are actively trying to bury/damage control the story. similarly there is a news blackout on a lot of major websites that would normally be expected to be reporting on this sort of thing (no evidence of this, I've just heard it repeated a bunch of times in a bunch of places). and it seems there is some connection to a continuation of hostilities between 4chan and tumblr from about a month and a half ago that are getting stured up with this, with all manner of accusations of cross-chan conspiracies.



oh, it's a fun night to be on the internet.

[deathfun]

My only opinion here is that I really ****ing want a Five Guys burger right now.

Also: "Quinn's ex boyfriend releases chat logs about her cheating on him with various men "

Because everything an ex has to say about their ex is legit right? And totally not subject to possible fabrication
In the end, I don't know what to think of all this. Most likely because I don't actually care who does what to gain what these days. Under the table favours of any kind aren't uncommon and there are certainly worse ones than this going on.

[Bobboau]

and that is just totally ok, we should just be totally cool with it, especially when it is uncovered before us.

also the supposedly chans caught her false flagging: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvZTc9SIAAAG9zw.png:large
fun fun fun

[The E]

So apparently there is a bunch of **** going down in a number of places involving systematic suppression of information about an indie developer who allegedly has been using a lovely combination of nepotism, sex, intimidation and manipulation to gain favors in the press and industry and crush anyone or any thing she doesn't like. So many different aspects of wrongness, from the straightforward corruption in the gaming press to the use of feminist ideology to try to silence people talking about it, to the apparent wide spread censoring of the information across many different communitys from reddit to tumblr to 4chan, and an apparent media blackout about it in the gaming press (possibly connected? a "conspiracy"?).

This whole thing basically tells me that the hardcore gaming community just isn't ready to deal with the fact that sometimes games will be made that do not appeal to them, and yet get good reviews.

and that is just totally ok, we should just be totally cool with it, especially when it is uncovered before us.

also the supposedly chans caught her false flagging: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvZTc9SIAAAG9zw.png:large
fun fun fun

I'm having trouble comprehending that picture. What exactly is it pointing out? What's the problem there? And are we taking pictures on the internet, especially pictures that appear on 4chan, as evidence of anything now?

[Bobboau]

the fact that it has a delete icon, implying that the person who took the picture was logged into the account that made the post. granted it could easily be fake, hence the supposedly.
so you do not find the nepotism of this disturbing at all? nor the widespread censorship?

[deathfun]

so you do not find the nepotism of this disturbing at all?

That's how things work in this world so no
Nepotism is just another word for "networking"

[The E]

the fact that it has a delete icon, implying that the person who took the picture was logged into the account that made the post. granted it could easily be fake, hence the supposedly.
so you do not find the nepotism of this disturbing at all? nor the widespread censorship?

No, and no. I don't know about the nepotism factor at all. All I know is that Quinn was accused of sleeping with games journalists, and that those journalists in return supposedly gave her good reviews. Given that Quinn herself doesn't talk about her personal life (and, in my opinion, shouldn't have to), the only side of the story we hear are the enraged gamers who fan the flames here.
Also given that "making games while female" is still an unimaginable offense, and that those same people who are being censored are spreading around increasing amounts of ****, up to and including Doxxing, distribution of nude pictures and other private information about Quinn, I am all for seeing this **** censored.

Even if all of the accusations against her are completely, 100% true, the reaction is still completely overblown and out of proportion to the damage this has supposedly done.

[Bobboau]

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so if a reporter who had been covering a presidential candidate and had been very positive of them and stonewalled any criticism turned out later to have been in an intimate relationship the whole while you would not blink at it? it's a different scale, but it's a similar issue.

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The scale of the reaction is largely fueled by the censoring. People don't like it when they find out they have been manipulated, so this story hits several multipliers in that regard the censorship and the major conflicts of interest that are apparently allowed to run unchecked. I suppose with the apathy on display in this thread I can see how it could have come to this.

[666maslo666]

If she really cheated on the guy with 5 gaming journalists to gain favorable reviews (wtf? lol), then that is a ****ty thing to do, both from her and from the so called "journalists". It is not just networking.

[deathfun]

so if a reporter who had been covering a presidential candidate and had been very positive of them and stonewalled any criticism turned out later to have been in an intimate relationship the whole while you would not blink at it? it's a different scale, but it's a similar issue.

Journalists these days aren't inherently objective anymore so no, I wouldn't blink at all (they're also human, subject to opinions which translate to their work). I'd just go "Ah well. They got caught big whoop"
If you like someone, you don't generally speak ill of them and you defend them if challenged. Bias is everywhere. It's also helpful

I just find it funny when people flip their ****s over it like this has never been done before

EDIT:

People don't like it when they find out they have been manipulated

Personally, my opinion of people like that are that they're... silly (in this case, manipulation from someone who was very close to you like your father is a different thing entirely). We live in a world where information is constantly being skewed to fit someone's view. By taking any sort of third party information without a grain of salt is basically just a silly thing to do. Experience it for yourself or find the data and interpret it for yourself.

[Bobboau]

yeah, she really isn't the story here.

[Bobboau]

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it's BAD. it should STOP. journalists who get caught in this sort of professional misconduct should be FIRED. the fact that there doesn't seem to be any hope of that in general SHOULD make you uneasy to say the least.

[deathfun]

It doesn't make me uneasy because I'm one of those folks that goes to the source instead of letting someone else tell me about it.
That and it is incredibly difficult to fire someone for something precedence has been set as being not an offense worth firing for.

Lawyers would eat that up immediately

EDIT: It's also very difficult to prove that what is written is because of that intimacy. It could very well have been two unrelated things
You can't prove that they're related. Money trails however (or "bribe" trail), are a different story.

If you just so happen to bump nasties and then so happen to write positive stuff, who's to say they are related? You can't prove it.

[The E]

yeah, she really isn't the story here.

Then what, pray tell, is the story? Is it about "nepotism and favouritism in games journalism"? Because that's a story that can be told any day of the week, with much more acceptable targets on both sides than this one.

Or is it about some communities seeing the signs of an approaching nightmare, of yet another voice in the games industry about to be drowned out by hordes of ****-flinging monkeys with keyboards and taking action (misguided though it may be) to prevent it? I mean, god forbid we lose the ability to single out women and abuse them, that is, after all, what gaming is built on, isn't it? (No it isn't)

Again, even if every single thing said about Quinn, her game, and the journalists involved is true, what is happening right now is wrong, plain and simple. It's unwarranted and disgusting.

it's BAD. it should STOP. journalists who get caught in this sort of professional misconduct should be FIRED. the fact that there doesn't seem to be any hope of that in general SHOULD make you uneasy to say the least.

Was anyone actually caught in this instance? Is there any definitive proof of any of these allegations? Or is it just the internet hate machine?

Because, I gotta tell ya, at this time? It's looking pretty internet hate machine-y to me.

[Bobboau]

The original post, has an interesting vid at the bottom

http://thezoepost.wordpress.com