[666maslo666]

Ah yes, the "Fathers' Rights Movement", who seem to think that men are incapable of getting custody of their children, even though when men actually ask for custody, they get it in the vast majority of cases. Yeah, that's sure some anti-male bias, huh

From your own link:

Fathers who actively seek custody obtain either primary or joint physical custody over 70% of the time.

Which does seem low, I see no reason to not give custody unless there is history of serious abuse or two parents live far from each other and you have to choose one. And there are lots more Fathers rights issues mentioned on the wiki, many seem legitimate. Men are disadvantaged when compared to women in criminal courts so I would not be surprised if the same is true in family law, especially as the mother is seen as the traditional caretaker of kids. You should not dismiss the possibility of certain anti male bias in courts so fast, various gender biases, no matter how small, permeate most areas of society.

[The E]

Don't twist it, of course the conditions for that scenario would be absurd.

I mean a reverse situation that's believable. Where Quinn is the accuser.

She would be accusing her ex-boyfriend of cheating on her in order to get good reviews for his game. How is that not believable? How is she not the accuser in that situation?

[Mr. Vega]

I am saying I do not think people would have applied the same arguments to Quinn in a reverse situation.

The "reverse situation" would be her accusing her boyfriend of cheating on her in order to gain favourable reviews of a game he had made, even though the person in question never actually wrote a review of that game.

If you don't think the vast majority of responses would have been "instant dismissal", you're living in a fantasy world (actually, based on your posting history, you're living in a fantasy world regardless).

Don't twist it, of course the conditions for that scenario would be absurd.

I mean a reverse situation that's believable. Where Quinn is the accuser.

Welcome to Arbitrary Scenario Theatre 3000. I don't find the idea of an indie developer seducing a few prominent games journalists to add a couple points to reviews for a very niche game, then outdoing the capabilities of the Church of Scientology of supressing any discussion of it very believable. Would you like me to come up with my own more believable scenario?

[AdmiralRalwood]

I mean a reverse situation that's believable. Where Quinn is the accuser.

So in other words, you don't think this current situation is believable? Or you just don't think it's believable when a man is the accused?

[Lorric]

I'm not playing your petty games.

[Ulala]

I do feel kinda bad for those wizardchan guys. Just because some asshole makes a couple of ****ty posts on their forum doesn't mean they all deserve to be told they should just go die.

[edit] As for the alleged phone calls, I see no evidence that the calls actually came from wizardchan members or that they even occurred in the first place... but I'm more than willing to review any evidence presented supporting that claim. [/edit]

[AdmiralRalwood]

From your own link:

Fathers who actively seek custody obtain either primary or joint physical custody over 70% of the time.

Which does seem low

You think 70% of the time is low? What would be high, then?

[Mr. Vega]

I mean a reverse situation that's believable. Where Quinn is the accuser.

So in other words, you don't think this current situation is believable? Or you just don't think it's believable when a man is the accused?

BOOM.

[Grizzly]

Don't twist it, of course the conditions for that scenario would be absurd.

I mean a reverse situation that's believable. Where Quinn is the accuser.

She would be accusing her ex-boyfriend of cheating on her in order to get good reviews for his game. How is that not believable? How is she not the accuser in that situation?

The ex-boyfriend did not even accuse her of that, actually. That's just what the video at the start of this made out of it.

[666maslo666]

From your own link:

Fathers who actively seek custody obtain either primary or joint physical custody over 70% of the time.

Which does seem low

You think 70% of the time is low? What would be high, then?

90+% would be quite high. As written on the wiki, I agree with their stance that joint custody should be the default unless there are serious reasons to the contrary. If a parent (of either gender) wants custody, they should highly likely get it.

[The E]

I'm not playing your petty games.

You called a straight reversal of the situation "unbelievable". We've asked you to explain why. Please do so.

[Mr. Vega]

I'm not playing your petty games.

You called a straight reversal of the situation "unbelievable". We've asked you to explain why. Please do so.

You've got him.

[Lorric]

I'm not playing your petty games.

You called a straight reversal of the situation "unbelievable". We've asked you to explain why. Please do so.

Alright, if you take out this stuff about cheating to get a better review on a game, and just call it cheating, then the playing field is level.

Would you treat that scenario with the same scorn as this one?

[Mr. Vega]

I'm not playing your petty games.

You called a straight reversal of the situation "unbelievable". We've asked you to explain why. Please do so.

Alright, if you take out this stuff about cheating to get a better review on a game, and just call it cheating, then the playing field is level.

Would you treat that scenario with the same scorn as this one?

Nope, what you called unbelievable was the EXACT same scenario with the genders reversed. Why did the reversal make it unbelievable?

[Lorric]

I'm not playing your petty games.

You called a straight reversal of the situation "unbelievable". We've asked you to explain why. Please do so.

Alright, if you take out this stuff about cheating to get a better review on a game, and just call it cheating, then the playing field is level.

Would you treat that scenario with the same scorn as this one?

Nope, what you called unbelievable was the EXACT same scenario with the genders reversed. Why did the reversal make it unbelievable?

The idea of a male sleeping his way to the top in a male dominated industry. It's all too easy to say you'd apply the same standards when that reversal takes place.

Now it's your turn to answer my question.

[swashmebuckle]

I would have thought the increasing reliance on advertising income from the companies whose games they are reviewing are far more likely to have a policy-wide impact on impartiality than sex is and would be a far more pressing concern in that area.

QFT. Sure we have a massive systemic conflict of interest, buOMG UNAPPROVED USE OF VAGINA WHERE MY PITCHFORK

[Mr. Vega]

I'm not playing your petty games.

You called a straight reversal of the situation "unbelievable". We've asked you to explain why. Please do so.

Alright, if you take out this stuff about cheating to get a better review on a game, and just call it cheating, then the playing field is level.

Would you treat that scenario with the same scorn as this one?

Nope, what you called unbelievable was the EXACT same scenario with the genders reversed. Why did the reversal make it unbelievable?

The idea of a male sleeping his way to the top in a male dominated industry. It's all too easy to say you'd apply the same standards when that reversal takes place.

Now it's your turn to answer my question.

To the top? Scenario was for one good review. Whether the industry is male dominated means much less in this particular scenario. I ask again, what about the man doing this is so unbelievable?

[Lorric]

I'm not playing your petty games.

You called a straight reversal of the situation "unbelievable". We've asked you to explain why. Please do so.

Alright, if you take out this stuff about cheating to get a better review on a game, and just call it cheating, then the playing field is level.

Would you treat that scenario with the same scorn as this one?

Nope, what you called unbelievable was the EXACT same scenario with the genders reversed. Why did the reversal make it unbelievable?

The idea of a male sleeping his way to the top in a male dominated industry. It's all too easy to say you'd apply the same standards when that reversal takes place.

Now it's your turn to answer my question.

To the top? Scenario was for one good review. Whether the industry is male dominated means much less in this particular scenario. I ask again, what about the man doing this is so unbelievable?

It's an expression.

And I'll admit here before Joshua came in with his correction, I thought it was for multiple reviews as it had been said multiple partners. Finding multiple female partners would be a lot harder than finding multiple male partners. But if it's just one, I can go with it being equal.

[Mr. Vega]

Smart answer.

[DarkBasilisk]

You know, i think, the fact that ad hominem and generally angry or frustrated posts are up far higher than GenDisc norms (even higher than they were in the Israel/Gaza thread) is a good demonstration of why the internet is a ****storm over this.

I was already a bit suspicious of any conspiracy claims given that the game is currently being released for free (making it one of the least productive conspiracies ever) and the firespark for all of this is an ex-boyfriend post. So I came here to see what HLP thinks, since usually, even when we disagree, I get a better than reddit approximation of what the good arguments for each side are.

This... I don't know. Started out with some discussion of events then rapidly degenerated into people that supports one leaning or the other (wary of misogynists vs wary of SJW) continuing on that path going back and forth throwing the traditional talking points for each respective path, tons of dismissal-ism with a healthy dash of anger. Thanks for the MA study, since I actually need stuff like that to use in another ongoing argument, but other than that, geez. Can't we discuss what is really a not so big incident without all the fireballs?